Was 1975 the peak year of the classic prog era? |
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verslibre
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Posted: March 05 2019 at 17:25 |
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^Gary Numan's early albums are superb. Great synth rock that wasn't "dance music." Gonna have to spin Telekon and, yes, Replicas.
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richardh
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I agree. Something had to happen and it was punk. I actually liked early punk ( Pistols, Stranglers , Siouxsie and The Banshees , Buzzcocks) and then got really excited about Gary Numan. Anyone else believe that Replicas is a classic PROG album?!! I think its interesting nowadays as to what passes as prog? You say that it does not capture the public imagination but then Muse can sell out massive venues in minutes. Check out The Globalist (from Drones) and tell me this is not prog. What we really think is prog is just a tribute to seventies prog. It's like wondering why a Beatles tribute act is not selling out massive stadiums. Bring back Pink Floyd with Waters and Gilmour or the classic 5 man Genesis line up and then wait and see the tickets sell... |
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M27Barney
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Possibly because you feel that you should listen to new things? Trying to find stuff you have missed or re-listen to stuff that didnt grab you straight away? My dial emma is that I like buying new CDs, sort of package opening thrill and plastic fondling paraphilia..Thus I have 300 CDs that I have listened to once or maybe never.... |
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Gerinski
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Well we have at the moment the thread "Your top 10 prog LPs, all times, all styles"
I did not do an album by album year check but it seems that most of the albums listed are 70's classics |
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Jzrk
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I was thinking desert island discs. Everyone would have there own personal choices. Sometimes that is a way of peeling back on what you really like in an absolute sense.
I would guess there is a an old thread here somewhere. That would give you an indication of perhaps best era not year per se. But that list may need to be at least 25 to get a better sample size. |
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Gerinski
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I think in my case at least it would be incorrect to judge the overall quality of the music by checking how much I listen to whatever from this or that decade.
At present I listen much more to modern Prog than to 70's Prog, that's out of question. If I make only 2 big blocks, say from the 60's up to year 1999 and from 2000 up to now, I probably listen 35% to the 60's - 99 stuff and 65% to the 2000 - present stuff. But that does not mean that I like more the modern stuff, it's just that the classics I have listened to them already so much that I do not spin them so often anymore, and I'm currently more busy discovering and getting familiar with the more modern stuff. Besides as it has already been mentioned, there is more modern Prog being released now by year than there was during the 70's 80's and 90's.
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If I love Classic Era Prog so much then why do I never really listen to it anymore?
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progaardvark
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I think I'm actually in the same camp as you with regard to the modern era. I haven't really evaluated it based on how much I listen to stuff, but based on the ratings I have given to albums I own on Rate Your Music, I rate the the decade of 2010s at 3.81 and the 1970s at 3.78. I own more albums from the 2000s than any other decade and that one rates at 3.70. My low point is actually the 1990s at 3.45, which is just slightly lower than the 1980s at 3.47. Admittedly, my collection has more than just prog rock in it, but I estimate my collection is more than 90% prog and I still have more stuff to add to Rate Your Music (which takes a bit of time).
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Oh I enjoy contemporary prog and hear loads on Krautrock-World web radio but hardly ever buy any, I don't want to get into building yet another collection.
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It is very interesting the way this thread has developed. Most of the discussion has been around which year in the first half of the 1970s was the best year for prog. But the key point about the initial post was what the PA stats across the years are telling us.
So, applying the same default parameters for the number of reviews and the minimum rating criteria across the decades, the 2000s and 2010s have twice the number of entries in the PA Top 250 (when you add up the entries for each year in each decade) than we had in the 1970s decade which included the great prog era. I find that quite surprising. I was 19 when Genesis released Selling England By The Pound (which remains my all-time favourite prog album). In 1973 I was just getting into prog and grew to love Yes, King Crimson, Genesis and Pink Floyd (and others). Like many at the time, my interest waned towards the end of the 1970s. But I seem to be in a completely different camp to most of the contributors to this discussion in that most of the albums in my top prog album charts come from the modern era. That doesn’t mean I don’t value the classic prog era – I loved it and still do. It means I have a way of measuring it against the modern era and can state this as a fact. I started listening heavily to prog again around 12 years ago. And because of the sheer volume of prog out there (and technology and the accessibility of music which meant I could), I listened to a lot more (and could afford to buy a lot more) than I could in my teens and twenties. And best of all, the technology also keeps track of what you listen to. I devised a way of working out which albums I listened to the most – not the simple number of tracks played per album but on average how many times I listened to each track on an album. All I had to do then was estimate (the subjective bit) the equivalent numbers for my favourite albums from the past and I could make a comparison. Call me a bit nerdy but that chart now has nearly 2000 albums in it. If I look at the top 50 around 20% are from the classic era and the rest are contemporary prog albums. And this does reflect the mix of prog music that I listen to - I listen much more to contemporary prog than I do to the classic era. But I guess I am the only PA Forum contributor who thinks this positively about contemporary prog and that is a shame. |
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There is no doubt that the prog crowd is mostly made up of fans who were there in the 70’s when the music came out.At least that seems what i appears on the forum.
I fall into that as well. I listen to new music all the time and find good music but in reality can’t really say I can find much that I would say moves me more than the 70’s output. Maybe it’s just my indoctrination to the genre? Or is there merit to believe that really for what ever reason those classic prog bands nailed it so well it is hard to surpass ? I can’t believe that in another 10 or 20 years a new generation of prog fans won’t have a different idea on what is considered the best ? So maybe given that idea, it would be interesting for someone who is now in there teens or twenties who is a prog fan what they feel are the best .Do they hold the 70’s prog as the pinnacle of prog? Or are their best of lists skewed towards more recent albums ? |
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Not many great tunes these days. Occasionally there’s a fine one though |
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All I like is prog related bands beginning late 60's/early 70's. Their music from 1968 - 83 has the composition and sound which will never be beaten. Perfect blend of jazz, classical, folk and rock.
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Gerinski
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Nowadays we are bombarded with so much new music, much of it very good, that it's hard for recent albums to ever become true classics as the 70's best albums are.
I mean, a few years ago lots of PA members were discussing all the hype about albums like, say, Phideaux's Snowtorch, Beardfish's Sleeping in Traffic(s), Discipline's To Shatter All Accord, Haken's Aquarius, Birds and Buildings' Bantam to Behemoth, Diagonal's selftitled or Moon Safari's Blomljud. People talked about them as the new masterpieces of Prog, but how often are we still talking about those albums when we talk about Prog Classics?
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I too feel the earlier seventies were the peak of Prog.
It's massively unfair (Not that anyone here says this) the perception of Punk killing Prog. That's just a lazy get out clause for journalists to establish narratives. Punk was a strong turn in fashion and direction but even if it never occurred the glory days of Prog were on the wane by 1975. King Crimson had split. ELP seemed dormant. Gabriel had left Genesis. Even Daevid Allen had fled Gong! The remaining groups made strong efforts, and some acts kept it going through the decade, but it seemed to have reached its glory days. Maybe more Prog music is being made by new bands today but there just doesn't seem to be the public imagination to show any interest outside of the faithful. Edited by AZF - March 03 2019 at 09:18 |
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1973. SEBTP and TFTO the pinnacle of symph prog...
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s OK but lots of good stuff today. If you want to limit yourself to '70' stuff that certainly makes things easier for u but you don't know what you are missing.
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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72 or 73 the peak. 75 saw some bands with no album or a weaker album than other years
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All I like is prog related bands beginning late 60's/early 70's. Their music from 1968 - 83 has the composition and sound which will never be beaten. Perfect blend of jazz, classical, folk and rock.
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A perfect top ten comment ... no one that is "progressive" is intelligent enough to know THEATER, FILM, PAINTING, LITERATURE or any of the arts. People that do prog, talk prog, have to be stupid and uneducated, and only follow the rules that are posted ... somewhere! I can see it now ... you only see Marvel comics movies. All the other movies don't mean nothing ... and of course, music is in the same world and country ... so it must be crap also. GET CE-REAL!
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The more I think about it, the more it seems like there were "two peaks" for the classic prog era:
One in 1972-1973 when all those bands were peaking with their records. The other in 1974-1975 when it seems like the popularity of those first few years had wained with the general public, and key players were leaving/putting projects on hold, etc. There's no real hard and fast line it's so damn blurry, even though twas only 6-9 years lol.
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