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What albums do you feel are criminally underrated on ProgArchives, and why? A few that I think deserve higher ratings:
McDonald & Giles: s/t. (3.36) I discovered this album when I was in high school in the early '70s, just a month after hearing "Court of the Crimson King" for the first time and looked at as a missing King Crimson album (same thing with Peter Sinfield "Still". I still love it to this day. Camel: "Rain Dances" (3.60) While this album marked a major change in direction for the band, it's still a good record. And it's certainly better than "Nude," which is rated higher (3.67). Strawbs: "Nomadness" (2.54), "Burning For You" (2.58) and "Deadlines" (2.88). You have to be kidding me. There are tons of great songs on these three albums. Just off the top of my head: Golden Salamander, So Shall Our Love Die, Tokyo Rosie, Hanging in the Gallery, The Promised Land, Burning for Me, Barcarole, Deadly Nightshade, Words of Wisdom, etc. What do you think and what ratings make you grumble to yourself?
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moshkito
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Hi,
To be honest, I am of the opinion that the only underrated album out there is from the reviewer that wrote that comment, or accepted that idea, instead of explaining for himself/herself what it was that made the album less valuable for them! I am a "rebel" of sorts, but NOT a rebel without a cause ... and that is the side that many folks do not see! I don't simply worship an idea because of a movie star or two, like so many folks STILL do here! Lastly, I wonder why folks sit and think that something or other is inferior or superior to something else, when you should be looking at the ARTIST, not anything else ... you're not sitting here writing what you did, thinking that Beethoven's 9th is the best, and his other 8 symphonies are total crap and not even worth rating ... which says ... YOU ARE NOT LISTENING ... you are merely mentioning the bits and pieces you LIKE. Sadly, a band like CAMEL ends up sounding like they are not worth standing up ... if you look at the complete catalog, you have to say that the band is fantastic, and deserves a lot of applause for the amazing amount of great music ... and to say that RAIN DANCES is better or worse than NUDE, is really, totally sad, and for my tastes, a lack of appreciation for the variety and the desire to create something special ... which the band did in both of those cases! NUDE is a fantastic album, were it not for a theme that makes a lot of people feel uncomfortable, starting with one word! So that means that RAIN DANCES is a lighter album and therefore better? I don't even want to start on STRAWBS ... a truly special band in my eyes and ears ... but people like the party faire, not the stuff that has a stronger meaning than just ... whatever ... I can still play H&H and Ghosts, and Deadlines and many of their albums ... and it never loses its sensitivity and care for its work ... like CAMEL, there is nothing to over rate or under rate STRAWBS ... as an "artist" this band is fantastic ... regardless of what anyone else says!
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BaldFriede
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I don't really have an issue with criminally underrated albums; after all degustibus non est disputandum.
My issue is more with criminally unknown albums, like Roman Bunka's
"Dein Kopf ist ein schlafendes Auto", Mother Gong's "Fairy Tales" or Nik
Turner's "Xitintoday".
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ExittheLemming
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^^ Anyone who honestly believes that artists don't have their 'bad days at the office' like everybody else, should probably be sectioned, in counselling or barred from using metal cutlery. I buy things I like. I don't buy things I don't like. You say that our critical faculties are found wanting whenever we exercise a personal preference in this regard. Great artists are sometimes capable of creating bad art.
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Manuel
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Unfortunately, most reviews are based on personal taste and opinions, and that's what counts for most (not all of course) people who buys music. I personally don't care about the ratings that much. I've found many albums that are considered "Not that Good" to be quite enjoyable for myself, and that's the only thing that ultimately matters.
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I'm glad Rain Dances got a mention, because everyone goes on and on about Moonmadness and The Snow Goose, two overrated albums. Rain Dances is primo Camel. But there are many other albums that deserve a "criminally underrated/unknown" mention first, like this one I just posted yesterday in the Obscure Prog thread. Yeah. they sound a lot like Wind/Trick/Three-era Genesis meets Styx, but hey. |
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For me personally Residents Mark of the Mole is my main example that's not just another overlooked gem - but doesn't get enough love from those who know it. A
stunningly executed almost industrial-sounding (but somehow warm)
concept album. So many wonderful melodies, themes and soundscapes. Way
ahead of its time I'd say. The CD-version includes the Intermission EP which is just as essential and underappreciated. Unfortunately it was mostly downhill from there. Incredible stuff if you like me don't need progressive rock to to sound like "prog rock" (a video containing all of the Mole-related material which means you also get the great Tunes of two Cities but stop before The Big Bubble starts)
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I agree with you when you said " I personally don't care about the ratings that much. I've found many albums that are considered "Not that Good" to be quite enjoyable for myself, and that's the only thing that ultimately matters" That is the point ! Some albums receive a high cotation in PA and some others no but.. This is only a reference. Although can be a good guide, only after an audience (or more) I can make my judgement !!!
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Logan
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^ That, but I'll post this anyway.
Criminally "underrated" (held in too low regard) might imply to me that an individual or individuals have made serious, erroneous criminally defamatory, libelous claims about the album and/ or the makers of the album (this may include various threats). For instance, "Comus' 'First Utterance' is musically an obvious imitation and perversion of the Everly Brothers album 'Christmas With The Everly Brothers and the Boys Town Choir'. Rest assured, Comus, the Everly Brothers Fan Club in concert with ex-members of the Boys Town Choir (now known as the Geriatrics Town Choir) shall exact its horrific-for-you revenge." To be clear, I made that up, the Everly Brothers fan club have never, to my knowledge, threatened Comus or claimed that Comus imitated the Everly brothers. That Comus story leads me to an album that I rather do think underrated and quite unfairly maligned, which is Comus' follow-up album to First Utterance called To Keep From Crying. The aggregate rating is higher than it used to be at 2.79, but compare it to Song to Comus: The Complete Collection which combines First Utterance with To Keep From Crying (with some superb bonus tracks, which bumps it up) and has a rating of 4.53, which is a higher rating for the this compilation album than for the First Utterance album, which has a rating of 4.14. While I think that terms such as overrated and underrated get overused, and I think the terms works best when citing specific claims about something which may be verifiably incorrect, rather than it just coming down to personal taste, not only do I "feel" that To Keep From Crying does not get enough respect from those who love First Utterance, but I wish that it got more attention from those who hate Comus based on the rather dark and disturbing, pagan themed conceptual album called First Utterance. I think To Keep From Crying is judged more harshly as an album because people have certain expectations due to listening to First Utterance, and I think it gets ignored rather unfairly. I also think that some people are too harsh when it comes to Magma' Merci, which has some excellent music, I think, at least. As an example of me underrating something, I was far too harsh with the Magma-related Offering hen I first heard it (I soon grew to really like it, much more than Merci bar a couple of tracks, actually, which at the time I thought was better than Offering's first album). Edited by Logan - March 23 2019 at 11:45 |
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dr wu23
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I just pulled McDonald and Giles out yesterday to play it in the car on the way to work...great album..very atmospheric and mellow...but not sure about saying 'criminally' underrated. I think 3.5 to 4 stars is fair though...so a bit underrated .
Still by Sinfield gets 3.64 on PA..another very enjoyable record imo...and a fair rating . I'm sure given some time I could come up with several that I really like that get low reviews here....but as always it's subjective.
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ELP - both of their Works volumes have a lot of great material. Even Love Beach isn’t the ‘useless turd’ many make it out to be.
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McDonald and Giles was supposed to be what KC would have sounded like if McDonald had stayed in the group, but it's a far cry from that KC debut. I find it underwhelming if somewhat interesting Rain Dances disappointed because it was so different, but it's actually a bold and very accomplished album even if the style doesn't really do it for me re Strawbs' late 70s albums, it's hard to argue that they don't have lots of good songs. The problem is they seemed to lose the plot a bit. The albums were disjointed, with the whole being less than the sum of its parts. In their early 70s albums, the songs just fit together, like they were conceived as a lot. I'd say the best of the 3 you mentioned is "Burning for You", which is still brought down by a few weak songs
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I agree about the Works volumes, but I still consider Love Beach a useless turd.
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Regarding Tull...I think This Was, War Child, and Stormwatch are all a bit underrated.
The Moody Blues...I think Chord and Threshold deserve to be 4 star albums....both are excellent and ground breaking for the time period..imho. Edited by dr wu23 - March 23 2019 at 11:12 |
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It's certainly better than the 3 album! Emerson, Lake & Powell: great record. Does it still get a lot of flak? "The Miracle," "The Score," "Touch & Go"...love 'em!
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The only Moody Blues albums I would say are under rated are the later ones(especially Long Distance Voyager). The "magnificent seven" all get lot's of admiration from most familiar with them.
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