Transitional Albums - Progressive Rock Music Forum

Interesting. I'm not a huge Tull fan, but Stand Up got my vote.

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Magma just beats out Jethro Tull but many great albums here. Particularly love Cluster, Can, Soft Machine

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Prologue is among the best Renaissance albums for sure, my pick

Stand up follow close behind

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Even though I voted for Can and could have just as easily voted for various others as I love many albums here (too many to want to list them all) , I'm a little sad to see Art Zoyd get no love here either in the votes or in posts (unless I missed it). I love Les espaces inquiets.

Yes me too - it was between Art Zoyd or Magma who both had 0 votes and I went for the latter (who's album in this poll admittedly is perhaps a little more important to me)

Kraftwerk came so close to inventing techno with Kristallo on that album

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Miles.

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Went with SM Vol. 2, but none of these blow me away (out of the ones I know).

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Hi,

Most of the so-called "transitional" albums, were NOT played that much on radio, and rarely, if EVER, got a lot of affection until afterwards.

Thus, things like Jethro Tull is only a transitional whatever, because of the fans, as his work was not exactly earth shattering, but an extension of the more experimental (and electric) folk material that was around at the time ... it probably had less to do with rock than it did with the wily ways of folk music. Bob Dylan would be transitional by just using an electric guitar ... Jethro Tull would not ... unless you think his lyrics are some kind of magic that lifts your bum off the couch!

Of all those albums, I would think that Tangerine Dream's album ATEM was one of the first to really hit the market and make people go ... what is that? ... which would fit into a "transitional" discussion. Renaissance is a different story, IF it was linked to the original Renaissance (Keith Relf's) which had no electronics, but all of a sudden this one is featuring Frances Monkman on all the far out and weird sounds you could find. Not sure that makes it "transitional", other than the band itself, IF it is related to the previous version, which I am not sure, or aware that it is.

MAGMA could be considered "transitional" in that it opened up a whole new slew of musical possibilities and in that sense, it would be a very valuable album in that mode. That they were able to continue it, and never succumb to the run of the mill, easy listening music of most radio and top of the pops concerns, is the far out thing, although some folks think that their last great album sounds too much like the first! But then, are we saying that Miles didn't?

Both CAN and GONG are not exactly "transitional" ... what they are is really well developed and studied music and well put together. CAN was quite obviously the perfect classical example that rehearsed something/anything until a thread was found ... and all 4 of their members were very high level students of music, and we have to consider that, unlike more than half of the folks listed in this poll! GONG started out as a bit of a fun international band, having fun with the commune and the dope/freedom aspects out there, which made them favorites in many places. However, their music, is not exactly "transitional" of anything, except in one album, that supposedly was totally done on dope, and in essence is an anti-dope album ... YOU. How's that for totally out there and being aware of what is going on? People getting into more dope, and they are saying ... enough!

Very strange topic for me ... and it looks like people are simply choosing favorites, instead of looking at a lot of the other music within a more objective context ... I know I like to discuss those conceptual things, but seeing a list like this drives me nuts ... both Mike Oldfield, Vangelis and Tangerine Dream had a lot more important "transitional" works in their cannon, to make the rest of the material listed ... poor! Those three will always be remembered as true composers and be "alive" for many years after they leave us. Most of the rest of the list will be forgotten and never mentioned again!

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Midnight Mushrumps has got some of the medieval/renaissance-feel and similar approach to melody/themes of their debut album but also points towards the full on complex Gentle Gient-level prog of their next.

I believe this would be very incorrect. Gryphon was a part of the "folk" tradition in music around England that was trying to play things that were "real" and possibly sounded more like the originals ... and another example would be The Third Ear Band. However, their material was very well focused on at least one player who was very much a very high level student of music and knew what he was doing ... and in this case, I would suggest he merely electrified a lot of the earlier music in his own way.

That you seem to think that this might lead to Gentle Giant, would be totally backwards, because this music was around before, and GG thought it might be cool to do something else with it ... that they have a bit of that renaissance something or other, is probably accidental ... Gary Green has been on record as saying that most of that stuff in the early albums was NEVER composed, and they just played ... Gryphon, more than likely was composed ... and TIGHT! Thus, if Gentle Giant have a bit of this or that it might have been they thought it would be cool to try this, and then ... yeah ... add this or that to it. But saying that they were influenced by this or that ... is weird, when the likelihood is that it was accidental rather than intentional.

Gryphon also deserves some more credit for one other thing ... what they did was so well done, that it was even used as music for some Shakespeare by at least one of the famous theater groups (Midnight Mushrumps) ... something that even fans here can not imagine ... how was it used? We still don't know! Richard Harvey went on to do a lot of classical music material ... although I can not say that much of it was used in any/many other productions. I imagine that Richard probably had a much better idea of what he would like to do with it, but the weird/sad part, is that he did not do any music for films ... where his music would fit so well ... which tells you that the movie audience is so taken by the shlock fare of the Hollywood variety that hearing something different is not possible ... and half the producers would say ... he doesn't sound like Maurice Jarre or Vangelis ... forget it!

We're doing the same thing here! (only using "progressive" as the term!)

Edited by moshkito - April 26 2019 at 08:06

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Poll Question: Pick a favorite - or name another
Poll Choice	Votes	Poll Statistics
Can - Soundtracks	2	[3.13%]
Gong - Camenbert Electrique	6	[9.38%]
Magma - 1001° Centigrades	3	[4.69%]
Tangerine Dream - Atem	2	[3.13%]
Soft Machine - The Second Album	4	[6.25%]
Kraftwerk - Ralf und Florian	1	[1.56%]
Renaissance - Prologue	5	[7.81%]
Miles Davis - Fille De Kilimanjaro	5	[7.81%]
Deep Purple - Deep Purple (1969)	2	[3.13%]
Weather Report - Sweetnighter	2	[3.13%]
Jethro Tull - Stand Up	14	[21.88%]
Gryphon - Midnight Mushrumps	2	[3.13%]
Roy Harper - Folkjokeopus	1	[1.56%]
Cluster - Cluster II	1	[1.56%]
Kate Bush - Never For Ever	6	[9.38%]
Klaus Schulze - Blackdance	0	[0.00%]
Embryo - Embryo's Rache	1	[1.56%]
Art Zoyd - Les Espaces Inquiets	0	[0.00%]
Henry Cow - Unrest	3	[4.69%]
Le Orme - Collage	4	[6.25%]
Other	0	[0.00%]
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