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    Posted: April 14 2019 at 17:50
This is supposed to be a thread about common prog beliefs that are dead wrong. I will give an example: The solo at the end of "A Plague of Lighthouse Keepers" from the album "Pawn Hearts" by Van der Graaf Generator is played by Robert Fripp on guitar. Wrong, it is played by Hugh Banton on organ who does a down to a T imitation of Robert Fripp, in style as well as in sound. Fripp does of course appear on the album, but he does not play that solo.


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A somewhat common misconception is that Germany's Triumvirat are basically just a copy of ELP.
        This is utter nonsense, when you intently listen to T'rat's music, you discover that they are a group in their own right, unique, really, in the overall atmosphere or "vibe" they create with their music. Structurally, as well, they do many things their own way.
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Originally posted by presdoug presdoug wrote:

A somewhat common misconception is that Germany's Triumvirat are basically just a copy of ELP.
† † † † This is utter nonsense, when you intently listen to T'rat's music, you discover that they are a group in their own right, unique, really, in the overall atmosphere or "vibe" they create with their music. Structurally, as well, they do many things their own way.


I have Illusions On A Double Dimple, Spartacus, The School Of Instant Pain in the Krautrock: Music For Your Brain box sets. Iím not mad keen on them (or ELP) but they never struck me as ELP copyists.
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"Shine On You Crazy Diamond" was sung not sung by Roger Waters, but by Roy Harper, a decition that Roger Waters later regretted.
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^ Hats Off to Roy Harper anyway ~

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Steve Howe had a small penis.  False, and was one of the most well-endowed people in prog.


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Originally posted by Manuel Manuel wrote:

"Shine On You Crazy Diamond" was sung not sung by Roger Waters, but by Roy Harper, a decition that Roger Waters later regretted.


Pretty sure Roy sang the lead vocals on Have A Cigar, not Shine on... Wink
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Neu!mann Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 15 2019 at 05:31
Originally posted by Manuel Manuel wrote:

"Shine On You Crazy Diamond" was sung not sung by Roger Waters, but by Roy Harper, a decition that Roger Waters later regretted.


But Waters did sing Shine On... I believe you're thinking of Have A Cigar?
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"Prog is a superior genre as it is more sophisticated and complicated"

This is true to a great degree (except for the superiority notion), yet composing a simple and effective song is just as valuable.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Manuel Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 15 2019 at 06:43
Originally posted by Neu!mann Neu!mann wrote:

Originally posted by Manuel Manuel wrote:

"Shine On You Crazy Diamond" was sung not sung by Roger Waters, but by Roy Harper, a decition that Roger Waters later regretted.


But Waters did sing Shine On... I believe you're thinking of Have A Cigar?
 
I also heard it's Have a cigar, wikipedia says it's Shine on. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote Manuel Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 15 2019 at 06:45
And another fact quite unknown is that , though Ian Anderson wrote the lyrics and main riff of Tull's music, it was Martin Barre who wrote the rest of the music, but was never credited for it.
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Originally posted by bender99 bender99 wrote:

Originally posted by Manuel Manuel wrote:

"Shine On You Crazy Diamond" was sung not sung by Roger Waters, but by Roy Harper, a decition that Roger Waters later regretted.


Pretty sure Roy sang the lead vocals on Have A Cigar, not Shine on... Wink


Correct, and 'legend' has it that the main reason Harper sung on Cigar is because Waters had knackered his voice, giving it everything on SOYCD.
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Originally posted by Manuel Manuel wrote:

"Shine On You Crazy Diamond" was sung not sung by Roger Waters, but by Roy Harper, a decition that Roger Waters later regretted.

Which, in many ways ... is just as well ... I think that Roy would have added a more cynic rendition of the words and make this a bit weirder and off kilter, and I think that Roger singing it makes it softer and not so harsh.

I doubt that Roy would have devoted that much time to PF ... considering that he even turned down touring with them more than once ... and likely because he didn't like the fan-boy atmosphere for all PF concerts since DSOTM ... and if Roy would do an acoustic set to open the show, every tomato and prairie patties in the neighborhood would find their way to him ... the respect found, by a PF audience in those days was ridiculous, right down a few years later when the fans even fought for a piece of the pig at the Anaheim Stadium!

Hats off is just about right ... he was not interested in somebody's circus!
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Originally posted by Odvin Draoi Odvin Draoi wrote:

"Prog is a superior genre as it is more sophisticated and complicated"

This is true to a great degree (except for the superiority notion), yet composing a simple and effective song is just as valuable.

IF "prog/progressive" is just a song, might as well close down this discussion, the website and the idea of "progressive" anything and call it just bullsh*t!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote HackettFan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 15 2019 at 07:56
Hey Mosh! We agree. Prog is sophisticated AND it is complicated and THEREFORE, from my frame of reference, it is superior. I have not been in a position to validate any other frame of reference.

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Roger sang "Shine On You Crazy Diamond".
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Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

Steve Howe had a small penis.  False, and was one of the most well-endowed people in prog.



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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Manuel Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 15 2019 at 08:48
Originally posted by MortSahlFan MortSahlFan wrote:

Roger sang "Shine On You Crazy Diamond".
Yes, I read the wikipedia statement wrong. 
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