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    Posted: June 12 2019 at 02:32
There is quite a similarity in Marillions "Grendel" and Genesis "Supper's Ready"

https://youtu.be/Rxp5KJOHqmI?t=753    (timestamped)

Fish was quite a big Genesis fan and i think the similarity with Apocalypse 9/8 is inevitable. And yes, I know that many of you progprofessors already know this :)


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There is an obvious nod to the 9/8 section of SR, in Grendl, although it's not in 9/8 IIRC

Apart from that I don't think there's too much simularity.
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Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

There is an obvious nod to the 9/8 section of SR, in Grendl, although it's not in 9/8 IIRC

Apart from that I don't think there's too much simularity.


Haha yea, I just meant that part
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Fish was however more a fan of Peter Hammill, as the cover of "Fugazi" proves


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Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

Fish was however more a fan of Peter Hammill, as the cover of "Fugazi" proves


Indeed, and although he is more often compared to Gabriel, I think he sounds more like Hammill, at least on the debut album.
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There might be some similarities, but not much, really.
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Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

Fish was however more a fan of Peter Hammill, as the cover of "Fugazi" proves

In what way? 
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When I first heard Marillion, I thought it was a reunion between Peter Gabriel and the rest of Genesis. That song was Jigsaw from Fugazi. Repeated hearings proved otherwise, but I still dug the music. I had heard that they did not deliberately chose to sound like early Genesis but that since they took a similar approach they created a similar sound. As to the Gendel/Supper's Ready comparison, I have never thought the latter a copy in any way of the former.
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Back when Marillion first emerged the debt they owed to early Genesis resulted in quite a bit of piss-taking in the UK. There was even a snippet in a book published by Not The Nine O'Clock News (a popular TV comedy show) that quoted Fish as hotly denying any resemblances in their new song ‘Supper's Nearly Ready’
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If you really want to know how similar, fishs voice and peter gabriels take a listen to fishs cover album,which covers, I know what i like (in your wardrobe )
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The bigger similarity to Supper's Ready is IQ's "Harvest of Souls" which has the same structure (still a great song though).
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Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

The bigger similarity to Supper's Ready is IQ's "Harvest of Souls" which has the same structure (still a great song though).

I was thinking the exact same thing. Sounds more like Supper's Ready and it's way better than Grendel too.
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Originally posted by miamiscot miamiscot wrote:

Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

The bigger similarity to Supper's Ready is IQ's "Harvest of Souls" which has the same structure (still a great song though).

I was thinking the exact same thing. Sounds more like Supper's Ready and it's way better than Grendel too.


Good to know, will listen it.
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Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

There is an obvious nod to the 9/8 section of SR, in Grendl, although it's not in 9/8 IIRC

Apart from that I don't think there's too much simularity.
 
Yup, never really understood how they could be so much compared beyond Jester's Tears.
Even at its most blatant, Marillion was never a Genesis clone... sure it's evident it was an early influence (amongst others), but it was impossible to confuse the two.
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This topic triggers strong prog memories! Because early Eighties a prog friend had bought the brandnew Grendel EP in London, and was eager to share his discovery with a group of fanatic progheads, including me. We considered Grendel as a very interesting epic, but then That Supper's Ready Moment ….immediately we all nailed Marillion as a blatant Genesis clone! One year later I noticed the brandnew Script album in my favourite record shop, I decided to give Marillion a second chance, the rest is history: it's one of my favourite prog albums, and I consider it as one of the best post Classic Prog efforts. But I have never understood why Marillion put that too obviously Supper's Ready part into the epic Grendel ….
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Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

Fish was however more a fan of Peter Hammill, as the cover of "Fugazi" proves

In what way? 
 
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