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    Posted: July 11 2019 at 08:46
They were still five, then, but sadly not for long ... read the whole not-so-secret story HERE






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Like the Tales piece, there’s nothing really new here. But these stories never get old! The author does a really good job of weaving the making-of story, the history of the band, and the story of the concert tour. Thanks for posting.

P.S. All of the guys, but especially Collins and Gabriel look so young!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Manuel Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 11 2019 at 13:04
Originally posted by patrickq patrickq wrote:

Like the Tales piece, there’s nothing really new here. But these stories never get old! The author does a really good job of weaving the making-of story, the history of the band, and the story of the concert tour. Thanks for posting.

P.S. All of the guys, but especially Collins and Gabriel look so young!

Indeed, nothing new, but always fun to read when you come across an article of this nature. 
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Love this! Thank you for sharing, one of my favorite Genesis albums 😎.
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You're welcome, couldn't keep it only for myself, fun reading indeed.
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Hi,

Having been around at the time, I did NOT hear GENESIS until the album SEBTP came out ... and while there was some far out stuff in there, I did not miss a lot of it ... I already had my ANGE, VANGELIS, ALAN STIVELL, AMON DUUL 2, TANGERINE DREAM, KLAUS SCHULZE, YES, JETHRO TULL, ELP ... and so on ... and adding GENESIS was almost an after thought although I like a couple of things in it. But it did not, until TLLDOB, have the strength and innovative feeling that so many others did, and the sad thing for me, is that they tried hard to put together something like TLLDOB and then could not "finish it" and had to add a song for the radio, so people thought they were not just an artsy crafty band ... and this time, they were going around without all the costumes, which left a lot of fans weirded out, because they NEVER GOT A CHANCE to see all that stuff and the big hoopla about it ... by the time you heard of GENESIS, it was really over, and it became just a hit band with Phil Collins!

I mention the "innovative feeling" because I had been (and still AM!) into film, theater, literature and the arts in general, and the late 60's and early 70's were MASSIVE in the arts of all kind, of which the world of rock music was way too far behind, because most of the media about it, was only centered on what sold, and early GENESIS did not sell, therefore it wasn't good enough! 

And I already knew 50 years ago, that this was a media fabrication and ash kissing of said media!

The last bit of GENESIS I ever read about and saved, was the foldout (alas no tootsies!) in Melody Maker where Peter Gabriel was interviewed and he did not say a whole lot about the band, except that there were some ideological and artistic differences, and that he was hoping to go more theater/film with the whole thing, but too much of it was taken off his hands ... and then later, of course, other band members started talking about what a mess the album was ... which was their reasoning for thinking the album did not sell as much as other stuff was there was doing, and was about to be jumped on by the record company, to show that PG was not the integral part of the creativity of the band!

My thoughts at the time, were that PG wanted to go towards the other arts, and preferably into film ... but when his first solo album was just a bunch of songs, and it sold, he gave up ... he became just another rock'n'roller that thought he had more to say than you or I or anyone else, and ... that was the end of PG for me, and by the time he got to the hammer, I was gone, and not interested. Peter Hammill was my style ... not Peter Gabriel's pseudo pop! Or Genesis, for that matter!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote BaldJean Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 14 2019 at 09:08
I hadn't known that Rutherford wanted to make an album based on "The Little Prince"; it would certainly have been interesting. @Peter Gabriel: "The Little Prince" IS NOT TWEE AT ALL Angry


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Do mean the children's book by the French gentleman who died in a plane crash in WWII. St. Exupery, wasn't it?
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Originally posted by Jaketejas Jaketejas wrote:

Do mean the children's book by the French gentleman who died in a plane crash in WWII. St. Exupery, wasn't it?

Not quite right. He was in a plane crash but he survived. His death is a mystery in that he sort of pulled an Emilia Earthart and disappeared.
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Ok thanks. But I'm on the right track, yes? I remember reading that when my French was better. I loved that story, with all the neat little drawings. I'll have to go back and read it again.
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Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Originally posted by Jaketejas Jaketejas wrote:

Do mean the children's book by the French gentleman who died in a plane crash in WWII. St. Exupery, wasn't it?

Not quite right. He was in a plane crash but he survived. His death is a mystery in that he sort of pulled an Emilia Earthart and disappeared.

as did Roald Amundsen, conqueror of the South pole, in 1928 when he went on a rescue mission for the crashed Nobile zeppelin expedition to the North pole


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Reading Moshkito's comments he mentions the 'song for the radio' . I assume he means 'It' which personally I like and never had a problem with. The end of the album is a bit like the end to Monty Python and the Holy Grail which coincidentally came out in the same . It's that stepping outside of itself thing isn't it? Anyway I love the first two sides and the final side. Just that trick third side that I'm not totally convinced by but I know a lot of people love The Waiting Room. I can see that up to a point but it's not really for me. 
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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

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 It's that stepping outside of itself thing isn't it? Anyway I love the first two sides and the final side. Just that trick third side that I'm not totally convinced by but I know a lot of people love The Waiting Room. I can see that up to a point but it's not really for me. 
 

This is the part of "music" that is really hard on the folks composing something … music history is full of moments where the music goes everywhere and nowhere at the same time, and you and I do not sit here and say that Mozart is _______, or that Verdi is ____________ or that Stravinsky is __________ … but we hear Side 3 of a YES piece and then side 3 of a GENESIS piece, and we get upset and disappointed because it does not have the "flow" and the "lyrics" (specially this to tell you/us what it is about!!!!!!!!! We're children you know?) … for us to know what it all is about and what it all means … and of course, some of the musicians in the bands (both of them!) immediately trash it with the rock reviewers, so that they can stay on the side of the "fans", and make sure that album sales for their next bunch of songs comes out … ohhh … in two weeks! (so to speak!)

I find it weird … "stepping outside of itself" … and no one having the notion, or the ability to check this in some other music, and specially in the history of music for the last 600 years or so … the comment makes no sense to me … because it is like saying that the composer is an idiot and would not know how to put together something of a story … but we stopped looking at this story … because the lyrics did not TELL US what it was about!

There is no writer, or artist, out there, that does not "step outside oneself" … their work would not develop if that were the case, and the simple continuation of "ideas" in our heads do NOT have the immediacy and the excitement that … dreams do inside our heads! We simply "dismiss" what the dreaming has to show us and tell us, which is one of the main reasons why these odd ball things are never understood … we already dismissed a part of ourselves … now we're working on the the City of Lost Children … making sure that we dismiss the rest within ourselves and all the others around us!

There is NOTHING weird in the YES and GENESIS version of these Side 3's … our imaginations and lack of desire to study/read it, is more at fault than anything else … just sad how we think that one person with this and that is cool, and in the next sentence, they are totally stupid! 

These Side 3's are both GREAT … and I love them dearly!
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My second favorite album.
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Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

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 It's that stepping outside of itself thing isn't it? Anyway I love the first two sides and the final side. Just that trick third side that I'm not totally convinced by but I know a lot of people love The Waiting Room. I can see that up to a point but it's not really for me. 
 

This is the part of "music" that is really hard on the folks composing something … music history is full of moments where the music goes everywhere and nowhere at the same time, and you and I do not sit here and say that Mozart is _______, or that Verdi is ____________ or that Stravinsky is __________ … but we hear Side 3 of a YES piece and then side 3 of a GENESIS piece, and we get upset and disappointed because it does not have the "flow" and the "lyrics" (specially this to tell you/us what it is about!!!!!!!!! We're children you know?) … for us to know what it all is about and what it all means … and of course, some of the musicians in the bands (both of them!) immediately trash it with the rock reviewers, so that they can stay on the side of the "fans", and make sure that album sales for their next bunch of songs comes out … ohhh … in two weeks! (so to speak!)

I find it weird … "stepping outside of itself" … and no one having the notion, or the ability to check this in some other music, and specially in the history of music for the last 600 years or so … the comment makes no sense to me … because it is like saying that the composer is an idiot and would not know how to put together something of a story … but we stopped looking at this story … because the lyrics did not TELL US what it was about!

There is no writer, or artist, out there, that does not "step outside oneself" … their work would not develop if that were the case, and the simple continuation of "ideas" in our heads do NOT have the immediacy and the excitement that … dreams do inside our heads! We simply "dismiss" what the dreaming has to show us and tell us, which is one of the main reasons why these odd ball things are never understood … we already dismissed a part of ourselves … now we're working on the the City of Lost Children … making sure that we dismiss the rest within ourselves and all the others around us!

There is NOTHING weird in the YES and GENESIS version of these Side 3's … our imaginations and lack of desire to study/read it, is more at fault than anything else … just sad how we think that one person with this and that is cool, and in the next sentence, they are totally stupid! 

These Side 3's are both GREAT … and I love them dearly!
 

fine … I'm never going to muse over this to that degree. Yep I'm probably not that open to weirdness in music and I readily admit it. I'm also pretty convinced that a lot of prog is deliberately 'out there' because there was actually a competition at the time. However I like the ending that still retains a sense of reality and even suggests tongue in cheek that the previous 70 minutes may or may not be a load of pretentious bollocks... but you have the power to decide so all is cool. The might be the biggest difference between Jon Anderson and Peter Gabriel I suspect.
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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

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fine … I'm never going to muse over this to that degree. Yep I'm probably not that open to weirdness in music and I readily admit it. I'm also pretty convinced that a lot of prog is deliberately 'out there' because there was actually a competition at the time. However I like the ending that still retains a sense of reality and even suggests tongue in cheek that the previous 70 minutes may or may not be a load of pretentious bollocks... but you have the power to decide so all is cool. The might be the biggest difference between Jon Anderson and Peter Gabriel I suspect.

Every artist out there, regardless of who they are, and what field they are in, have a bit of the internal that is very difficult for anyone to make sense of.

That they can "picture" it, and occasionally show it, is a valuable sign that they are in touch with their intuitive and artistic side when they are working on their work ... there is a "link" that allows us to see that ... and the best example I can give you is Picasso and Guernica ... that is in pieces on purpose, because that was what the young man saw out on the streets from his window, in the early days of the Spanish bruhaha ... that went after artists and writers as well, to ensure they did not create more words/works that made the government appear even worse. 

The "view", "thought", and "idea" of something like this or what happened later in a few places in Germany, is not something that would have a keyboard, a bass, a guitar, lyrics ... and then a singer telling you about this and that and this and that ... it would be very different, abstract, and in many ways giving you and I an idea of something that we know, but don't like ... fear and ... the unknown coming right up!

A lot of those "abstract" pieces, are for me, the very best ... totally the BEST ... because some folks DO KNOW how to illustrate a lot of things ... and the part that bothers me, is that we "accept" that the lyrics are the end all of everything ... and that the music behind it is not important ... and of course, when you separate the two, all of a sudden they don't mix very well! That's rock'n'roll for you ... we're TOLD what is supposed to be good ... we're not allowed to see and think on our own ... specially here!

20th Century music has a lot of "abstract" music ... and really, a lot of it is telling us that there were a lot of horrors in that century ... that now we're trying to erase from history, by making sure that the artistic way it was interpreted is destroyed and hidden ... and you and I know that is totally wrong ... and a social/media thing that needs to get addressed ... like the school erasing a mural because they think it tells American History incorrectly! Who the fudge are they to say they are interpreting it right in the first place?

We need those oddities in the arts ... they speak more than any lyrics out there in any song ... but we're such vicious and malicious people ... conveniently using the "media" and "public" to support what we have been told is the truth ... even if it is from the worst book EVER translated in the history of humankind!
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Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Originally posted by Jaketejas Jaketejas wrote:

Do mean the children's book
by the French gentleman who died in a plane crash in WWII. St. Exupery,
wasn't it?


Not quite right. He was in a plane crash but he
survived. His death is a mystery in that he sort of pulled an Emilia
Earthart and disappeared.

as did Roald
Amundsen, conqueror of the South pole, in 1928 when he went on a rescue
mission for the crashed Nobile zeppelin expedition to the North pole
the Roald in Roald Amundsen infleunced the parrents of a famed cildren authrr to have the name Roald followed by Dahl.
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Unlike Yes/Tales, which I fell in love with immediately, I really didn't dig Genesis back in my teen years. I can't ever remember relating much to the Lamb at that point. It was until much more recently that I truly began to enjoy Genesis beyond the cursory spins, in the same way I would a Yes album. Now, when I play the Lamb, it is a unique experience because I do not have it assimilated in the way I do other albums of the era because I rarely played it as a youth.
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I guess it's inevitable - the music you grow up with lands in your brain in a special way much different from what you experience in your later life.
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