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    Posted: July 26 2019 at 15:48
It may be overrated if you compare to Tulls other remix sets. They’re all deservedly 4.5 stars. The bonus track Kings
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Originally posted by kenethlevine kenethlevine wrote:

Originally posted by Snicolette Snicolette wrote:

Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:


 
I can't imagine TAAB without the "Do You Believe" passages. Heart

Those are sublime!

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I cannot imagine TAAB without side 2; indeed, "Do you believe in the day" section is just about my favourite part of TAAB. The "Do you believe in the day" dirge complements the overall, mostly up, whimsical nature of TAAB. Also the avant-garde section near the start of side 2 just breaks up the whole album. Love it.

Just listen to it 17,155 times like I have over the past 47 years and it might just grow on you!


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Originally posted by Snicolette Snicolette wrote:

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I can't imagine TAAB without the "Do You Believe" passages. Heart

Those are sublime!

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Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:


 
I can't imagine TAAB without the "Do You Believe" passages. Heart

Those are sublime!
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Originally posted by The Anders The Anders wrote:

I personally find it rather boring, and it is not that I necessarily don't like long tracks (I'm a big admirer of f.e. "Tubular Bells", "Atom Heart Mother" and "Echoes"). But I usually lose interest when it comes to very long improvised passages, plus I miss a clear structure, but maybe that's just me.
Whether it's overrated or not, I can't really judge, because it is clearly not my type of music. I guess it should be more interesting for people who grew up with jazz. I like earlier Jethro Tull stuff such as the Stand Up album.
I don't hear any improvisation in either side of the album... But yeah, the flipside needs more remarkable movements... Maybe Anderson concentrated a little too many ideas on side A at the expense of the flipside.
Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

76.53% of it is definitely not overrated 
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Well...50% is ok.....to me side one  is enough.....side 2 is basically a repeat in a way.
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Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

76.53% of it is definitely not overrated 
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I never said I didn't like it ... I still have it, even! Some of that stuff by JT I can't seem to let go of!

Overrated, for me, is just another word in the dictionary!
 

Ok I never said you did either. It was just a joke about the whole artist vision being seen (and appreciated). Joke's are never any good if you have to explain it!

For me its an excellent album. Lots of great Hammond and drumming and it pleases me. For me, if it has over 1000 ratings then whatever rating it has is fine. One of the problems with the rating system is that there is quite a large jump between 4 and 5 stars. Too many ( myself included) hand out 5 stars because 4 stars just feels that little bit too low. Now if you had 4.5 stars as a 'go to' that might allow the special 5 stars ratings to be used more sparingly. 



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Originally posted by The Anders The Anders wrote:

I personally find it rather boring, and it is not that I necessarily don't like long tracks (I'm a big admirer of f.e. "Tubular Bells", "Atom Heart Mother" and "Echoes"). But I usually lose interest when it comes to very long improvised passages, plus I miss a clear structure, but maybe that's just me.

Whether it's overrated or not, I can't really judge, because it is clearly not my type of music. I guess it should be more interesting for people who grew up with jazz. I like earlier Jethro Tull stuff such as the Stand Up album.

I agree with you but in my opinion there aren't "improvised passages": every step is well-studied, even forced, but the suite in a lot of passages lacks of melody, there is no a clear direction, because they dont find it. You can do beautiful songs without a clear melody, if you play an abstract improvised form where the pleasure of the listeners is listein to the tonal variations of the instruments (King Crimson, Van Der Graaf), or you can do beautiful songs finding a beautiful melody and building around it a good structure and arrangement and so do Jethro Tull at their best, but in TAAB, they are not at their best.


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I personally find it rather boring, and it is not that I necessarily don't like long tracks (I'm a big admirer of f.e. "Tubular Bells", "Atom Heart Mother" and "Echoes"). But I usually lose interest when it comes to very long improvised passages, plus I miss a clear structure, but maybe that's just me.

Whether it's overrated or not, I can't really judge, because it is clearly not my type of music. I guess it should be more interesting for people who grew up with jazz. I like earlier Jethro Tull stuff such as the Stand Up album.
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Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

76.53% of it is definitely not overrated 
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Well...50% is ok.....to me side one  is enough.....side 2 is basically a repeat in a way.
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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

76.53% of it is definitely not overrated 
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Well...50% is ok.....to me side one  is enough.....side 2 is basically a repeat in a way.
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Tbh Tull is one of those bands I've never warmed up to, simlar to VdGG, though I like some tracks here and there.

Ratings are ratings - subjective, and maybe not super helpful - might be better to read some reviews by people with similar tastes. Even then sometimes you might feel differently after a listen. Best to just form your own opinion and don't get too worried if some people have a different one. If we all felt the same way about it it wouldn't be that much fun - and that applies to any album.


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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

76.53% of it is definitely not overrated 
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I never said I didn't like it ... I still have it, even! Some of that stuff by JT I can't seem to let go of!

Overrated, for me, is just another word in the dictionary!
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Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

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To be honest you seem to miss the point that must people treat music as something to be enjoyed. You really don't have to appreciate the artists vision to enjoy the music. I just like the sound of a Hammond for the sake of it and not because it speaks to me in some way. Equating music with paintings is just not relevant to the discussion I'm afraid to say. 

How sad ... and an important person in PA, that usually has very good comments on music and a lot of the work done here, and you come around ... and pretty much admit that more than half of the music you listen to, you don't pay attention to at all ...
Quite clearly, Richard did not say/admit anything of the sort.
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Originally posted by HackettFan HackettFan wrote:

 Assertion made and response given. I'll throw in the base as well. I don't like the whole rhythm section by and large following Aqualung. Songs From the Wood (the song) is another example of what I consider a dull and uninspired rhythm section.

Sorry, I completely disagree with you, completely and utterly. I would suggest that Barlow had a far better technique for the more intricate compositions found on TAAB, APP, MitG, SFTW, etc. Bunker was fine, at times exceptional, in the milieu of early Tull (i.e., jazzy blues, straight blues and rock), but he was not the drummer to go in the direction that Tull did after 1971. And I would also say the bass line Jon Glasscock laid down surpassed Cornick and Hammond on the bass.

Listen to Barlow from 2:28 on:


No way in Hell is Bunker going to do that. I think Barlow had a much better grasp of orchestral arrangements, which a lot of the 70s Tull compositions required, plus his extensive use of the glockenspiel and marimbas. Listen to Glasscock and Barlow, it's masterful and so damn precise...





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Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

Originally posted by HackettFan HackettFan wrote:

The drumming parts on TAAB are underwhelming as it is with most post-Aqualung albums when Clive Bunker was replaced. Either Barriemore Barlow did not know when to put in fleurishes to complement the music or Ian Anderson’s increased domination over the writing produced very dull drum parts. 


I read this over a couple of times; unfortunately, the wording didn't change -- and it is still dead wrong. I would suggest that Barlow's contribution added real fire to every album he was on, and that he was actually more technically advanced and powerful than Bunker, who was really good in his own right. Barlow was the perfect complement to the more progressive albums that Tull released after Aqualung. I don't think Bunker could have done it.

Assertion made and response given. I'll throw in the base as well. I don't like the whole rhythm section by and large following Aqualung. Songs From the Wood (the song) is another example of what I consider a dull and uninspired rhythm section. There was an interview at some point (probably in the late mid to late 80s) in which Ian Anderson gave a little light-hearted criticism of Clive Bunker for not being very consistent in keeping time. Obviously for an album-long piece prior to the digital age, this could be an issue. Barlow probably was/is superior in that regard. My criticism was in terms of the writing. That is, the space within an arrangement that the drums occupy. I really don't care if anyone actually agrees. That's my opinion. The real reason I'm following up the post is to pose the question of who was really responsible for the writing of the rhythm section. My understanding is that Ian Anderson was extremely comprehensive in the writing department to include other people's parts. How much leeway and input were others allowed as they entered and exited the band? And specifically, how large was Ian's role in designing the rhythmic aspects of the pieces? This is an open question for anyone who reads this post. My guess is that Ian assumed more control as others exited, but I don't have much deep knowledge. I'd be happy to hear any insightful comments.







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Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

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To be honest you seem to miss the point that must people treat music as something to be enjoyed. You really don't have to appreciate the artists vision to enjoy the music. I just like the sound of a Hammond for the sake of it and not because it speaks to me in some way. Equating music with paintings is just not relevant to the discussion I'm afraid to say. 

How sad ... and an important person in PA, that usually has very good comments on music and a lot of the work done here, and you come around ... and pretty much admit that more than half of the music you listen to, you don't pay attention to at all ...

No, what he means is when we listen to music, we react viscerally.  We don't try to analyse it.  We may and there's nothing wrong with that either but it's not like we do it every single time and every work of art.  An idea that would be easy enough for you to grasp if you didn't overanalyse the opinions of commenters on PA.  Since you seem to appreciate music in ways elusive to us plebs, wouldn't your time be better utilised in the service of THAT endeavour than trying to educate the patently illiterate? Wink
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Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

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To be honest you seem to miss the point that must people treat music as something to be enjoyed. You really don't have to appreciate the artists vision to enjoy the music. I just like the sound of a Hammond for the sake of it and not because it speaks to me in some way. Equating music with paintings is just not relevant to the discussion I'm afraid to say. 

How sad ... and an important person in PA, that usually has very good comments on music and a lot of the work done here, and you come around ... and pretty much admit that more than half of the music you listen to, you don't pay attention to at all ...

Comparing it to a painting, was a way to show how folks tend to select bits and pieces and leave behind the rest ... you must really think that no artist out there is intelligent enough to create something ... just because you don't like it!

IT obviously has some meaning for its creator/s ... and you don't think that meaning is important or valuable, because you don't like that part! AND, WORSE OF ALL ... THAT THE SOCIAL MEDIA HAS THE RIGHT TO TELL THE ARTIST HE IS FUDGED AND WRONG, SPECIALLY 45 YEARS LATER! It was what it was at the time, and can be explained ... but you appear to be so commercialized (how weird ... and into "progressive music"!), that you can not separate and notice the difference. It's as if you are only looking for approval ratings, because you could not possibly agree with Mosh on the arts and his general respect for them ... every piece in its entirety ... not just a portion of it!

That is sad, sick, and I'm not sure that is appreciating the music (or the arts) at all ... there are a lot of things in "progressive" that I am not quite fond at, but at the very least, I have respect for their work and continuity ... and you are basically saying that YES and GENESIS are crap on the basis of one side of an album you did not "get" ... and are not even reading the notes on the album to find out what it is about!

I'm now wondering who is more overrated! Confused
 

I never suggested (and it would be crazy for me to say it) that I didn't think an artist was intelligent enough to create something simply because I don't appreciate it. That's just you drawing an erroneous conclusion (again). 

I respect anyone who can write and create original music. To me that's a form of magic.  However I will never pretend to like everything they do and if that means I am disrespecting the artist then well I must have no damn respect for any of them!

Worthwhile music to me is anything that is not 3 minute formula driven radio drivel. I don't have to like all of it but I do appreciate the ambition of anyone attempting to do something different. That's all there is with art. Human beings are not perfect I'm afraid and art reflects that (or should do). Music although being art can also have a decent tune to divert your attention from whether it's really any good. Perhaps that the nub of my argument perhaps.
 

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