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76.53% of it is definitely not overrated 
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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

76.53% of it is definitely not overrated 
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I never said I didn't like it ... I still have it, even! Some of that stuff by JT I can't seem to let go of!

Overrated, for me, is just another word in the dictionary!
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Tbh Tull is one of those bands I've never warmed up to, simlar to VdGG, though I like some tracks here and there.

Ratings are ratings - subjective, and maybe not super helpful - might be better to read some reviews by people with similar tastes. Even then sometimes you might feel differently after a listen. Best to just form your own opinion and don't get too worried if some people have a different one. If we all felt the same way about it it wouldn't be that much fun - and that applies to any album.


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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

76.53% of it is definitely not overrated 
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Well...50% is ok.....to me side one  is enough.....side 2 is basically a repeat in a way.
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Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

76.53% of it is definitely not overrated 
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Well...50% is ok.....to me side one  is enough.....side 2 is basically a repeat in a way.
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I personally find it rather boring, and it is not that I necessarily don't like long tracks (I'm a big admirer of f.e. "Tubular Bells", "Atom Heart Mother" and "Echoes"). But I usually lose interest when it comes to very long improvised passages, plus I miss a clear structure, but maybe that's just me.

Whether it's overrated or not, I can't really judge, because it is clearly not my type of music. I guess it should be more interesting for people who grew up with jazz. I like earlier Jethro Tull stuff such as the Stand Up album.
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Originally posted by The Anders The Anders wrote:

I personally find it rather boring, and it is not that I necessarily don't like long tracks (I'm a big admirer of f.e. "Tubular Bells", "Atom Heart Mother" and "Echoes"). But I usually lose interest when it comes to very long improvised passages, plus I miss a clear structure, but maybe that's just me.

Whether it's overrated or not, I can't really judge, because it is clearly not my type of music. I guess it should be more interesting for people who grew up with jazz. I like earlier Jethro Tull stuff such as the Stand Up album.

I agree with you but in my opinion there aren't "improvised passages": every step is well-studied, even forced, but the suite in a lot of passages lacks of melody, there is no a clear direction, because they dont find it. You can do beautiful songs without a clear melody, if you play an abstract improvised form where the pleasure of the listeners is listein to the tonal variations of the instruments (King Crimson, Van Der Graaf), or you can do beautiful songs finding a beautiful melody and building around it a good structure and arrangement and so do Jethro Tull at their best, but in TAAB, they are not at their best.


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Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

76.53% of it is definitely not overrated 
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I never said I didn't like it ... I still have it, even! Some of that stuff by JT I can't seem to let go of!

Overrated, for me, is just another word in the dictionary!
 

Ok I never said you did either. It was just a joke about the whole artist vision being seen (and appreciated). Joke's are never any good if you have to explain it!

For me its an excellent album. Lots of great Hammond and drumming and it pleases me. For me, if it has over 1000 ratings then whatever rating it has is fine. One of the problems with the rating system is that there is quite a large jump between 4 and 5 stars. Too many ( myself included) hand out 5 stars because 4 stars just feels that little bit too low. Now if you had 4.5 stars as a 'go to' that might allow the special 5 stars ratings to be used more sparingly. 



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Originally posted by The Anders The Anders wrote:

I personally find it rather boring, and it is not that I necessarily don't like long tracks (I'm a big admirer of f.e. "Tubular Bells", "Atom Heart Mother" and "Echoes"). But I usually lose interest when it comes to very long improvised passages, plus I miss a clear structure, but maybe that's just me.
Whether it's overrated or not, I can't really judge, because it is clearly not my type of music. I guess it should be more interesting for people who grew up with jazz. I like earlier Jethro Tull stuff such as the Stand Up album.
I don't hear any improvisation in either side of the album... But yeah, the flipside needs more remarkable movements... Maybe Anderson concentrated a little too many ideas on side A at the expense of the flipside.
Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

76.53% of it is definitely not overrated 
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Well...50% is ok.....to me side one  is enough.....side 2 is basically a repeat in a way.
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I can't imagine TAAB without the "Do You Believe" passages. Heart
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Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:


 
I can't imagine TAAB without the "Do You Believe" passages. Heart

Those are sublime!
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Originally posted by Snicolette Snicolette wrote:

Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:


 
I can't imagine TAAB without the "Do You Believe" passages. Heart

Those are sublime!

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Originally posted by kenethlevine kenethlevine wrote:

Originally posted by Snicolette Snicolette wrote:

Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:


 
I can't imagine TAAB without the "Do You Believe" passages. Heart

Those are sublime!

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I cannot imagine TAAB without side 2; indeed, "Do you believe in the day" section is just about my favourite part of TAAB. The "Do you believe in the day" dirge complements the overall, mostly up, whimsical nature of TAAB. Also the avant-garde section near the start of side 2 just breaks up the whole album. Love it.

Just listen to it 17,155 times like I have over the past 47 years and it might just grow on you!


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It may be overrated if you compare to Tulls other remix sets. They’re all deservedly 4.5 stars. The bonus track Kings
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