Music today |
Post Reply | Page <123> |
Author | ||
iluvmarillion
Forum Senior Member Joined: February 09 2010 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 3236 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
|
It's not as if there isn't some great music today as good as anything in the past. Radiohead is proof of that. It's just that there is not as consistently great music today, than there was from a period in the mid sixties with the Beatles to a period around the mid seventies, with bands such as King Crimson, Pink Floyd, Yes, Emerson Lake and Palmer and others. Prog bands like Spock's Beard, Marillion, BBT, Moon Safari and Dream Theater are brilliant in my view, but they fight a prevailing view in society today that mostly past musical tastes are dead and that popular music today is a combination of dance, electronic and punk bands. The exception is Blues music, classic rock and Metal which is as popular as ever. Steven Wilson seems to be the only Prog artist who can extract something out of present day popular music and turn it into something decent.
Edited by iluvmarillion - July 22 2019 at 22:23 |
||
Dellinger
Forum Senior Member VIP Member Joined: June 18 2009 Location: Mexico Status: Offline Points: 12608 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
|
When I started to get interested in music, and even more when I found prog, I paid very little attention to the "modern" music of the time. Well, first I used to put MTV a good deal of time (in the 90's), and so I got to know many very nice (pop) songs of the time, but from 00's up to a few years ago, I really dismissed the music that was being released at the time (I had to make up for the older music that I was discovering). However, I wouldn't even say that I think the music when I was growing up was best (90's), but rather the music from the 70's. Now that I have been paying more attention to modern music, and a bit of what I missed a little earlier on, I still think the same... well, of course 90's music would be better than today's too. However, I do have found some nice stuff around, specially on prog (of course), but still, even knowing these great bands and music being done today, I can't help but return to the classics, and not easily will I want to hear something modern instead (except for a few albums). Even for prog metal, I would rather listen to what was done in the 90's / 00's to what is being released today. And for me that's the most important factor, I can try to understand and explain any number of qualities in the music, but in the end it's all about what I feel like listening and what I don't really want to listen on a common basis.
|
||
Grumpyprogfan
Forum Senior Member Joined: July 09 2019 Location: Kansas City Status: Offline Points: 10054 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
|
HA! Maybe since the tribal beats. |
||
dwill123
Forum Senior Member Joined: December 19 2006 Status: Offline Points: 4455 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
|
If we're talking about my past (I'll be 65 in December) then there is no way that music today is better. NO WAY.
|
||
AFlowerKingCrimson
Forum Senior Member Joined: October 02 2016 Location: Philly burbs Status: Offline Points: 16188 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
|
Well, I might be one of the very few people on here born in the early 70's(70 to be exact)so for me growing up in the eighties I was mostly into seventies stuff even then.
|
||
MortSahlFan
Forum Senior Member Joined: March 01 2018 Location: US Status: Offline Points: 2637 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
|
Despite being born in the 80s, 99% of what I listen to and love was made BEFORE I was born.
|
||
https://www.youtube.com/c/LoyalOpposition
https://www.scribd.com/document/382737647/MortSahlFan-Song-List |
||
questionsneverknown
Forum Senior Member Joined: June 22 2009 Location: Ultima Thule Status: Offline Points: 602 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
|
It's all been downhill since Beethoven's 3rd Symphony.
Seriously, I think it's often difficult to contemplate this question and separate those contemplations from some fairly deep matters of psychology. Something happens to us when we're in our early teens through our early twenties and we encounter certain music. That music could be the latest stuff, or it could be something older, but developmentally that music, heard then, does something to us, imprints upon us, and makes us--to some extent--who we are. As we get older, it's harder for newer music to make as the same kind of impact. Post-adolescence, it's probably harder for new music to shape us and hit us in the same way. Obviously, some of us are more music obsessed than others. I keep reaching out for new music, and I keep finding amazing new stuff I love. But a good majority of my peers probably stopped really listening to anything new after their twenties. That's a long-winded way of saying that I think that when a good many people say, "music today's not as good as it was when I was a kid," they may not really be talking about the music. I have certainly had my moments when I've been nostalgic about how great 1980s post-punk albums were, and think how pale the latest indie band sounds in comparison, but then I think of my brother (who was 15 years older than me) and how he thought all of that stuff in the 1980s sounded like sh*te and only paled to what he listened to when he was younger. It's probably also much harder to be startled by something new the longer you've listened to music and the more music you've listened to. When I first heard the White Stripes, my first thought was, "Didn't the Flat Duo Jets already do this?" Jack White is a phenomenal musician, who I respect immensely, but I don't think I was ever going to be able to hear him the way my students did when he first came on the scene because that was all new to them. That said, I like old stuff, I like new stuff. The pop charts blow today (dear god do they blow), but take a look at the pop charts from the 1960s (and you'll find a whole lotta dross). |
||
The damage that we do is just so powerfully strong we call it love
The damage that we do just goes on and on and on but not long enough. --Robyn Hitchcock |
||
AFlowerKingCrimson
Forum Senior Member Joined: October 02 2016 Location: Philly burbs Status: Offline Points: 16188 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
|
I voted music from the past. One reason is that to some degree at least most of the good ideas and melodies have already been done. Along those lines does anyone really think there will be a band in the next few years(or even from the past few years)as good as the Beatles, Rolling Stones, the Who, Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd just to name a few? I don't. Even if we limit ourselves to prog I don't think there are many(if any)current bands even approaching the greatness of Yes, Genesis, PF, ELP, Camel, KC, JT, etc. Sure, there's some good music out there but I think the best(even in prog)is way in the past.
Edited by AFlowerKingCrimson - July 22 2019 at 13:34 |
||
Fischman
Forum Senior Member Joined: July 21 2018 Location: Colorado, USA Status: Offline Points: 1600 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
|
I find music today to be pretty good. Of course, you have to look for the good stuff, but it is there. But there are periods I think were relative down periods for music in general or prog in particular. I'd be interesting to know when you "grew up" (meaning when you first began taking a serious interest in, and absorbing music).
|
||
progaardvark
Collaborator Crossover/Symphonic/RPI Teams Joined: June 14 2007 Location: Sea of Peas Status: Offline Points: 48737 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
|
Music overall: better in the past
Prog music: about the same level of quality, past and present (maybe the 1980s being an exception)
|
||
----------
i'm shopping for a new oil-cured sinus bag that's a happy bag of lettuce this car smells like cartilage nothing beats a good video about fractions |
||
hellogoodbye
Forum Senior Member VIP member Joined: August 29 2011 Location: Troy Status: Offline Points: 7251 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
|
I'm still curious of good music, from today or from the past. so both.
|
||
TCat
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: February 07 2010 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 11612 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
|
There are some great comments and arguments here. I still believe that there are great artists today and yesterday, so I find music I like in all eras. Now, I am referring more to progressive of course, because pop music and radio music has always been mostly bad, but I feel that music on the radio was much better and included more styles during the 60s and 70s. I grew up not knowing what progressive music was, but I still had exposure to it on the radio, and that is what got me interested in the complexities of it all. I look back now and find that almost all of the music I purchased on vinyl, 8-track and cassette was progressive and I didn't even know it. I loved and owned most of the albums from Pink Floyd, Kansas, Blue Oyster Cult, UK, Steely Dan, Genesis, Yes, and so on, and it wasn't until 1980 when I was asked what groups I liked and named these off, the person responded by saying "Oh so you like progressive rock." Pretending I knew what she was talking about I said, "Ehrmmm.... Sure!" So what I am saying is, at least where I grew up, that I got my knowledge of progressive rock from the radio, however, I didn't realize it then. I don't think this would happen nowadays, at least on commercial radio. Now all that music sounds the same. And let's not even start about how God-awful country music has become lately. It was bad before, but now it is just automated drivel where all of the crap sounds the same and people gobble it up like candy.
Edited by TCat - July 22 2019 at 09:06 |
||
chopper
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: July 13 2005 Location: Essex, UK Status: Offline Points: 19943 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
|
True, but sadly there were also artists around in the 60s and 70s who didn't make a living from their music due to unscrupulous agents and managers (Badfinger being one example).
|
||
Grumpyprogfan
Forum Senior Member Joined: July 09 2019 Location: Kansas City Status: Offline Points: 10054 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
|
And the fact that some of today's artists do it part time, and create music that rivals say Close to the Edge, is amazing.
|
||
Slartibartfast
Collaborator Honorary Collaborator / In Memoriam Joined: April 29 2006 Location: Atlantais Status: Offline Points: 29625 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
|
50-50 for me but I voted now since it had the least votes.
|
||
Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
|
||
Grumpyprogfan
Forum Senior Member Joined: July 09 2019 Location: Kansas City Status: Offline Points: 10054 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
|
Thanks for all the great comments. I’m 59 and grew up during
the age of new wave, disco, and punk. Prog was losing steam and radio, as it
always is, sucked. Radio may have been better in a larger town, but in my area
the only good show was the weekly broadcast of The King Biscuit Flower Hour.
Beyond that you could only hear the top 40 drivel (disco was the worst) or the
constant rotation of Zeppelin, Stones, The Who, etc. I guess I’m in the
minority so far about this topic, but I feel the talent and choices available
to me now are better than when I was growing up. Some of my favorite new prog
acts, which I love as much, or more than, the old prog bands, include…
Bubblemath, Frost*, Haken, Tauk, Riverside, The Aristocrats, Thank you
Scientist, Freak Kitchen, IZZ, Echolyn, Nova Collective, Big Big Train, Lonely
Robot, Sanguine Hum, and Thieves’ Kitchen. And I am always searching and
finding new groups of all genres that amaze me now more than ever. This site is
one such place to find new discoveries. So, thanks again for all the awesome comments
and I’m glad to be here.
|
||
Manuel
Forum Senior Member Joined: March 09 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 12382 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
|
The music industry in not what it was when I was growing up. The days or the rich rock star, started by Elvis, is now gone, and the artists of today simply do it for the love of music, so it's very hard to compare. Before, they could make a living off it, so they would put all their time and energy into it. Now, most artists, specially music which doesn't fit the popular trend, have to have a 9 to 5 job and write and perform their music on their spare time. With sites like Spotify, where you can just pay a small yearly fee and listen to everything you want, hardly anybody buys music anymore, and the artist gets paid next to nothing for their music. Of course there's still some people who buy the music, but is a very small percentage of those who listen to it, making music sales very insignificant to what they used to be. That doesn't mean the artists of today are not as talented as the ones of previous decades, but the circumstances are so different, that indeed affect the quality and nature of their music.
|
||
Finnforest
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: February 03 2007 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 16913 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
|
Yeah, the favorite/better wording is a good point too. If it was favorite, I'd have to admit there is some truth to the embedded nature of songs from our youth being extra special. But it doesn't have to lock one there in stasis. I purposefully try to listen to things before my youth as well as today, and these songs can be great too. Right now, I'm on an old jazz kick which is so much fun. I realize now this was a prog poll as someone pointed out. I was answering as if it were a general poll, so my response is off base anyway now.
|
||
|
||
Meltdowner
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: June 25 2013 Location: Portugal Status: Offline Points: 10215 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
|
Answering the poll question and since I was born in the mid-90's, I think music is better now. I mean, I find more music I like better from today than from the previous two decades. Maybe for the fact that underground artists can distribute their music more easily but also because of the resurgence of vinyl, many try to make concise records instead of filling up CD's.
|
||
chopper
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: July 13 2005 Location: Essex, UK Status: Offline Points: 19943 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
|
How long ago is "the past"?
|
||
Post Reply | Page <123> |
Forum Jump | Forum Permissions You cannot post new topics in this forum You cannot reply to topics in this forum You cannot delete your posts in this forum You cannot edit your posts in this forum You cannot create polls in this forum You cannot vote in polls in this forum |