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Grumpyprogfan
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What is your #1 of all time? |
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tdfloyd
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Interesting poll. Trick is Genesis' #1 album for me. Wow just came back to this poll and it is a tie! Maybe the way it should be for two great albums Edited by tdfloyd - September 27 2019 at 05:18 |
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Cristi
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nice poll, don't know what to pick.
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moshkito
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I honestly think that this material was already in the making and that it would have been PG's voice on them a year later ... but ended up being Collins's voice ... more than likely because it was closer to the style that the band wanted, and they thought they would not need to get a new singer. I think that LAMB is better and the best, and while TRICK has some very nice things and in Santa Barbara I can tell you that Guy Guden played it a lot (I think that the others in the station didn't play it much!!!! Too artsy for them!) I say that it was likely material that was already being worked on, because after that the material really changed and was not as strong to my ears, in both the music department and in the lyric department ... which suggests that TRICK had some PG in it ... and the rest of the material didn't.
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richardh
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It never really occurred to me that there was any real PG influence on Trick given that it was so different to Lamb. I do think that W&W was a notch down from Trick although I suspect that was more to do with Hackett and Banks not seeing eye to eye so it all became a bit fractured and 'unfocused' to my ears.
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Howard the Duck
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In my humble opinion, Trick can't hold a candle to Lamb. In terms of musicianship (and arguably songwriting, except for maybe Supper's Ready) it's their artistic peak as far as I'm concerned (but probably not their peak in terms of production/mastering).
Trick for me has a solid string of songs from Mad Man Moon to Ripples, but the rest is largely sub-par for me (and Squonk is one of my all-time least favorite songs by the band). Imo a fairer poll might be Trespass vs. Trick (and I wouldn't vote for Trick even then :P)
Some of the NYC covers reveal it to be a pretty great song: The same can even be said of Squonk - I don't mind some of the covers as much as the original. (I think both are Rutherford compositions also.) I just really enjoy Peter's delivery on the original, even if the song itself might not be that amazing otherwise. Edited by Howard the Duck - September 15 2019 at 08:38 |
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MacGyver can do a super guitar solo with a broom and an elastic band. Can you do better?
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richardh
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Trick was a big departure from everything they had done before and that is quite understandable. Trick displays a lot of muscle and Rutherford's use of Taurus bass pedals on Squonk is a particular highlight of the album for me (my hi-fi loves that track!). The only slightly weak moment is Robbery, Assault and Battery which again indulges Collins a bit too much with the cheeky Cockney persona he seemed to be cultivating at the time. Still not a bad track though and the drumming from Collins is as good as it gets! Genesis really went up a notch as a live band and that was where much of their late seventies success stemmed from ( not so attributable to 'hits' as is often assumed) . Of course there will always be a lot of affection for the Gabriel era and it would be strange if there wasn't but I've always preferred my prog to have bombast and balls rather than clever literary references!
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richardh
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I heard another good cover of Back In NYC by a band called Tin Spirits who probably deserve a bit more love and recognition. Squonk has to be one of the most plagiarised tracks in prog (after Entangled!) Trick practically laid down the neo prog playbook!
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HackettFan
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The Lamb. Best album ever. Side 3 is the best.
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Psychedelic Paul
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My favourite Genesis album overall is the first one, "From Genesis To Revelation", produced by Jonathan King. My choice for this poll is "Trick of the Tail", mainly because it includes one of my favourite Genesis songs, "Ripples".
The poll is very evenly balanced at the moment with 36 votes for each album.
Edited by Psychedelic Paul - October 02 2019 at 14:37 |
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Oh, it must be The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway. A Trick of the Tail is a solid record, in my opinion a bit more advanced and interesting then subsequent Wind & Wuthering... and I definitely like how Genesis comes back to Lewis Carroll days on ATOTT album cover. But Lamb has too much quality material and isn't as saccharine as later releases... it's also more adventurous.
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The Lamb
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