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    Posted: October 06 2019 at 06:44
From Michel

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C’est avec beaucoup de regret que je dois vous annoncer aujourd’hui que la 12ème édition du ROCK IN OPPOSITION France Event qui s’est tenue à Bourgoin-Jallieu et Lyon en mai dernier est la dernière du nom.
En effet, compte tenu du changement de direction de la scène de musique actuelle « Les Abattoirs », et de la mutation complexe des missions de son équipe, il serait très risqué d’envisager une prochaine édition.
A l’issue de l’arrêt du R.I.O. de Carmaux, nous avions, José Molina (Directeur des Abattoirs) et moi-même fait le maximum pour maintenir cet évènement unique sur le territoire national.
Aujourd’hui c’est la fin de cette magnifique histoire.
Et c’est avec beaucoup de peine, à la fois pour les organisateurs, bénévoles, techniciens, artistes et public que nous devons prendre cette décision.

Pour ma part je continue à travailler sur d’autres projets dont, j’espère, j’aurai l’occasion de vous parler très prochainement…

Merci à vous tous pour cette fabuleuse aventure.

Et Vive la MUSIQUE.

Michel Besset

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It is with a great sadness that I must announce today that the 12th edition of the ROCK IN OPPOSITION France Event held in Bourgoin-Jallieu and Lyon last may is the last of the name. Indeed, given the change of direction of the current music scene "Les Abattoirs", and the complex mutation of the missions of his team, it would be very risky to consider a next edition.
At the end of the R.I.O. from Carmaux, we had, José Molina (Director of the Abattoirs) and I did my utmost to maintain this unique event on the national territory.
Today is the end of this wonderful story. And it is with great difficulty, both for the organizers, volunteers, technicians, artists and public that we must make this decision.

For my part I continue to work on other projects which, I hope, I will have the opportunity to talk to you very soon ...

Thank you all for this fabulous adventure.

And long live MUSIC.

Michel Besset

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I will seriously miss this wonderful festival, I went to 9 of the and made loads of new friends, discovered wonderful bands, saw great performances and had a generally great time in France. It's been a blast.
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That sucks. It doesn't sound like it was a lack of interest thing. Was it generally well attended?
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They generally got around 300 people to attend, I think it was more of an organizational impact. The main man Michel retired last year, he was in a local government role that help with the organization and the arts funding available in France. He was still heavily involved in this years festival. Then the RockTime organization that ran it in Carmaux collapsed and they had to move to Lyon & the Slaughterhouse. That was always only going to be a short term fix. It seems he couldn't find a long term home & with the changing music scene it was time to call it a day.

They've done superb work keeping it going for 12 years.
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Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

They generally got around 300 people to attend, I think it was more of an organizational impact.
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This is really scary ... regardless of which show, to only have around 300 people is down right bad, and a serious issue to consider, and then you get into the problem that half the bands can't get paid because the money went to the details in having to put on the event itself ... this reminds me of the producer of the 1999 show in SF (SFPMFestival) at what would have been a very expensive location and after the 2 days, it was clear that the "named" bands did not pull the fans in as much as they should ... only one show was "full", and it was Porcupine Tree, but the bad side of things? That producer took a bath in a loss that probably passed 50K or more for those 2 nights, and there is no way that anyone can survive that at all ... and even if the R.I.O. had the support of public finances, the disparity in the level would be something that any authority group would have said ... what? ... and call it a night.

But, it really shows how fractious and "separate" all this "progressive" music has become, that in a "regular" progressive" show these bands might not be watched or appreciated, and a different and more rock oriented band might not be a welcome sight at this venture, either, and this was an issue with the show in SF in 1999, when even Buckethead, only had a handful of folks in front of the stage ... who the heck is that everyone asked!!! ... and Lana Lane and the Rocket Scientists opened the show with the most professional and clean show of all bands, except MAGMA, and their audience only measure a couple of hundred as people were not even arriving in the theater and/or were outside!

In my mind, there is a very bad lack of respect ... we are so much into the "preference" thing, to the point that we are hurting the very process/program that we love and wish to see it make it better in the long run, but it can't as long as we play the selfish fan ... instead of the appreciator of magic music!

I saw all the acts and photographed them all, except PT when SW immediately told me that no pictures were to be taken lest I would dismantle his idea for visuals and movie for his stuff! It was bad, when he did that, because hew showed exactly the same attitude as the fans that were nowhere to be found for at leat 5 other bands in the show on those two days.

I can't imagine that we will EVER grow up and appreciate these things, but most of them, you can tell, are fly by night operations and the only way they could have a chance to recover some of the loot, would be to ensure they could do a DVD and sell it, which probably half the fans in the show would have bought, and it would have meant ... twice the number of fans ... and helped the whole thing along better ... but the ideas around these things ... are usually closed ...

One last item ... in the SF show, for two days a video crew shot the whole thing, and none of it has even been shown or appeared anywhere ... and worse ... the folks on the cameras did not know any of the music, and they did not know what a "performance" is all about ... just to give you an idea, there was a bit where Daevid Allen started the lyrics in the song, by looking at the camera and before he got to the 2nd line of his acting bit, the camera moved away ... he looked at the ceiling, made a gesture ... what do I gotta do ... and continued ... but you KNEW RIGHT AWAY ... that things like this would kill the show and its appeal on many bands ... because of the lack of respect and the wasted money on shooting something with a crew that belonged in high school, and worse ... probably did not care ... I wouldn't have paid them a dime! 

So, sometimes, you have to do better than just imagine that the music is enough ... I'm not saying that you have to dress people up in drag, or pull off the costumes from the local theater group, or have to include a far out audio-visual thing for the audience to be entertained with their lollipop ... which in the end, is all we did and wanted ... many of us didn't care about this or that, and the dismissal, is scary and ugly in regards to the music!
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You have no idea what the hell you are talking about, the festival was successfully run for 12 years with audiences of that size, clearly it wouldn't have continued if it was taking a bath every year or artists didn't get paid. 

What the hell are you doing going on such a rant. We should be celebrating the success of the festival and the wonderful work the organizers did to bring it to life every year.

Did you ever attend any of the RIO festivals?  
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^ Do not argue you poor ignorant.
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1. Don't think these bands are focused on getting paid. These are true weirdos just doing their thing and being creative. Money is always nice but considering who I know, musicians and fans, that loved this festival, they'd rather it keep going than get paid.

2. There is always separatism and elitism in every scene. RIO honestly had the least amount of it that I've ever seen. (Not always with the fans, but def with the creators.) The creators of this music are some of the most inclusive and responsive and enthusiastic music lovers I've ever talked to.

3. The preference is there because people don't want Hinder playing at RIO. It is a platform for creative and weird people to play. Usually the bands playing are already connected with other bands playing, organizers, or engineers that work through the scene. It isn't about separation, it's just a scene of people that know each other that want to be weird and do their thing.

4. This was almost all funded with arts grants and never did anything but lose money. It wasn't going to ever be funded by attendance. I don't think 'marketing' and expansion was really a major goal or a focus of the funding. Don't know how French art grants work.


Long story short, I know that you're saying you wish more people could appreciate this stuff and I agree, but I don't think your approach to what you're saying aligns with what I believe the mission to be.

Anyone is welcome to correct me.

I have cried so much today :( :( :(

Emme Phyzema, my best friend, told me so much about it and how magical it was. I guess rarities and magic never lasts.
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I"m so god damn sad. This was like... the one thing in the world that seemed like a community that I could fit inside.

Hopefully Japan keeps going so I can make it when funded enough!
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Hi smurph,you are exactly right, spent a fair amount of time with Emme at the festivals, those connections are fantastic.
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Oh sh*t you did?

Niiiice. Is Ian your name? I'll ask her about you!

Her music is f**king awesome. I hope one day a similar type festival can happen again and she can get a live band together for it. 

Also, she played bass on "enter the sentai" - i'd suggest you re-listen to that album and focus entirely on the bass performance. She had never played bass before that record. It is nuts.
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Btw, if anyone knows anything about the possibility of Japan ending or continuing, let me know! 
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