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    Posted: December 03 2019 at 10:58
We all know about the " Big Six "of prog. Someone recently had a thread asking for peoples second tier bands & most of those seem to come from the late 60's to mid 70's. (Gentle Giant, Camel, VDGG,.....)
My question is who would be your "big six" bands that started releasing material after 1979. 
(The post 70's prog era.) 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Psychedelic Paul Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 03 2019 at 11:13
A good question which I find hard to answer, so I'll leave it to others in the progosphere  to decide, who are far more knowledgeable about modern prog than I am. I could give a list of which six modern prog bands I like best of all, although I doubt if anyone would agree with me that they should be in a first tier "Big Six" list  of modern prog bands. Smile
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote SteveG Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 03 2019 at 11:37
Marillion and 5 others. Wink
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^ Yea, That's what I think most people will say. 
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First guess, though I think this will be a lot more spread out than the 70's.

Marillion
Dream Theater
Anglagard
Porcupine Tree
Opeth
Rush

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Dellinger Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 03 2019 at 12:34
I think it's 3 undisputed ones: Marillion, Porcupine Tree, and Dream Theater. Then we can try to go further, and it can become tricky.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote emisan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 03 2019 at 12:36
Spock's Beard/Neal Morse
Marillion
IQ
The Flower Kings
Porcupine Tree/Steven Wilson
The Tangent
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Gerinski Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 03 2019 at 13:07
Marillion
IQ
Dream Theater
Spock's Beard/Neal Morse
The Flower Kings
Porcupine Tree/Steven Wilson

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote JD Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 03 2019 at 13:11
Spock's Beard
Dream Theater
Djam Karet
After Crying
Pineapple Thief
Anekdoten


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I wouldn't include Spocks Beard or The Flower Kings, each only has one 4 star album with large discographies.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Grumpyprogfan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 03 2019 at 13:47
Really, really hard to pick only six.

Big Big Train
Izz
Frost*
The Aristocrats
Thank You Scientist
Riverside

Others....
The Psychedelic Ensemble
Mike Keneally
Echolyn
Sanguine Hum
Thieves' Kitchen
Haken
Spock's Beard
Dream Theater
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Anathema
Anekdoten
Airbag
Anubis
Anglagard
Arena

... to be continued.
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Dream Theater
Opeth
Anglagard
Porcupine Tree
Marillion
Wobbler
The sun has left the sky...
...Now you can close your eyes
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote M27Barney Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 03 2019 at 14:51
Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

I wouldn't include Spocks Beard or The Flower Kings, each only has one 4 star album with large discographies.

Eh? Both have produced some of the best symphonic prog since 1975....definately in the six..
IQ
DREAM THEATER
FLOWER KINGS
SPOCKS BEARD
STEVE HACKETT
THE TANGENT
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Spock’s Beard and Flower Kings are parody prog
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Manuel Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 03 2019 at 15:53
I would put The Flower Kings in the big six, and Spock's Beard would be number 7. Mike Keneally, I Am the Morning, The Aristocrats, Pocupine Tree and Tricantropous would be the other five. If we count new bands formed by old timers, then The Steve Hackett Band and The Martin Barre Band would top the list. Of course this is my personal list, and I know many will not agree, and that's ok I guess.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Lewian Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 03 2019 at 16:40
My personal list would probably be something like...
Cardiacs - Talk Talk - Swans - North Sea Radio Orchestra - Tortoise - Porcupine Tree.
If I think of an "official big 6" defined by innovation, influence, impact, and some kind of centrality to prog, Porcupine Tree would still be there. Cardiacs and Talk Talk tick all boxes except centrality (what ever that is); even Tortoise and Swans don't seem to be too far off. Anyway, I'd probably not vote against one of Dream Theater or Opeth, Anekdoten, IQ. I love iamthemorning and After Crying, but they're probably also not so central to the genre. Marillion is accepted grudgingly. I'm somewhat surprised Mars Volta, Tool and Radiohead haven't been nominated yet, but fair enough, they won't tick centrality either, except Mars Volta may, just about. I'd like to see post/math rock represented and if you don't want Talk Talk or Tortoise, Goodspeed You Black Emperor, Sigur Ros, and Battles could also be contenders. Mr. Bungle is also super awesome.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote The Dark Elf Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 03 2019 at 16:51
Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Marillion and 5 others. Wink

There's a sad single sentence commentary on prog, post-1980.
...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined
to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology...
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote YESESIS Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 03 2019 at 19:42
Marillion, Spock's Beard.. umm.. Dream Theater and Porcupine Tree.. I've run out of bands, sorry.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Nogbad_The_Bad Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 03 2019 at 19:54
If we look at how many top 100 albums bands have had and how many ratings bands have for top 100 albums we get

Top 100 Albums (2nd sort by # of rankings)
Porcupine Tree / S Wilson - 5
Opeth - 5
Marillion - 3
Riverside - 3
Cardiacs - 3

Dream Theater - 2
Rush - 2
Anglagard - 2
Pain Of Salvation - 2
Phideaux - 2

Top 100 album rankings
Porcupine Tree / S Wilson - 10183
Opeth - 6199
Dream Theater - 5737
Marillion - 5368
Rush - 4762

Riverside - 4110
Anglagard - 2738
Pain Of Salvation - 2362
Phideaux - 1788
Big Big Train - 1751
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