Jethro Tull vs. King Crimson

Mirakaze wrote: richardh wrote: I'm too lazy to cherry pick this and that. Everything Crimson has done is worth taking seriously and they didn't do a Christmas album although can you imagine what it would have been if they had. Just think of Fripp wearing a fluffy Santa hat... so him. Would have been an album full of this, no doubt:

The more I age, the more obvious King Crimson's dominance as a force reveals itself to me.

rogerthat wrote: ProgMetaller2112 wrote: TCat wrote: King Crimson.  Nobody beats KC for being influential to all music.  Even though I'm also a big fan of JT, Crimson is my all-time most favorite band. With all due respect, mostly all the big Prog bands "beat" King Crimson in influence and music even the lesser known bands do.  With all due respect, that's the ultimate in revisionism.  Genesis leaned heavily on ITCOTCK to make Trespass and you're claiming KC is the least influential of the big prog rock bands?

rogerthat wrote: ProgMetaller2112 wrote: rogerthat wrote: ProgMetaller2112 wrote: TCat wrote: King Crimson.  Nobody beats KC for being influential to all music.  Even though I'm also a big fan of JT, Crimson is my all-time most favorite band. With all due respect, mostly all the big Prog bands "beat" King Crimson in influence and music even the lesser known bands do.  With all due respect, that's the ultimate in revisionism.  Genesis leaned heavily on ITCOTCK to make Trespass and you're claiming KC is the least influential of the big prog rock bands? No bro, it's not revisionism. Those bands are better and have more influence than Crimson. Yes, Crimso is influential but those other bands took things further and did them better Better is just your opinion and neither here nor there when we discuss influence. But as far as KC goes, their influence doesn't stop only with ITCOTCK. Do you have any idea how bands, including hardcore punk or grunge bands, have cited Wetton KC as an influence? Again, were any of GG, Genesis, JT, Yes or ELP doing anything remotely like Red album in 1974? The answer is no. Just because you may be a symph prog fan doesn't mean the world revolves around it.

Edited by ProgMetaller2112 - January 18 2020 at 00:47

There is an important distinction between influential power and popularity/success that often gets lost over the internet simply because we love our faves
Influence is seeds that blossom whereas the latter has more to do with numbers.
Look at it like this: One of the most influential bands I know of is The Velvet Underground. Compared to their peers they sold horribly and were no more than a historic footnote looking merely at the numbers. But without them we wouldn’t have Ziggy Stardust or the Bowie that followed. The whole new wave scene blossoming up through various cracks in the 80s would also be without it’s guru.
Or to bring it home to a progger: take the Floyd. Dark Side Of The Moon is perhaps one of the most iconic albums in all of rock..not just in prog, but I’d wager that the early albums from Piper to Ummagumma were and are far more influential in terms of what they spawned of new musical avenues. Dark Side was vastly influential on the productional side of things and basically taught bands how to use the studio as an extra member of the band...but Piper through Ummagumma gave us a plethora of scenes and styles that evolved from the innovative psychedelics of the Floyd.
King Crimson is like that. The bands that took their cue from them mostly ended up being innovators themselves and spurred on seeds of their own. The Mars Volta fx. How many bands have evolved from those guys? And that’s just one band. Most modern experimental riff based rock bands, whether prague or more metal based, can trace their lineage back to monsieur Fripp...whether they know it or not.

Edited by Guldbamsen - January 18 2020 at 04:30

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