Progarchives.com has always (since 2002) relied on banners ads to cover web hosting fees and all.
Please consider supporting us by giving monthly PayPal donations and help keep PA fast-loading and ad-free forever.
/PAlogo_v2.gif "Progarchives.com Homepage") |
Will PA ever label genres by album? |
Post Reply 
|
Page 123 5> |
| Author | |||
dougmcauliffe 
Forum Senior Member 
Joined: February 23 2019 Location: US Status: Offline Points: 3895 |
 Post Options
 Thanks(0)
 Quote Reply
 Topic: Will PA ever label genres by album?Posted: January 09 2020 at 20:37 |
||
|
The current system where artists are put into a one size fits all label for subgenres is really misleading. The highest rated jazz rock/jazz fusion album on this site is kind of blue, and that album is neither of those. 90125 is listed as symphonic prog. Obviously it would be a huge work load, but will we ever see the day?
|
|||
|
The sun has left the sky...
...Now you can close your eyes |
|||
 |
|||
|
BaldJean
Prog Reviewer 
Joined: May 28 2005 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 10377 |
Post Options
Thanks(1)
Quote Reply
Posted: January 09 2020 at 20:56 |
||
|
I have always said that genre should be assigned to album, not to artist
|
|||
 A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta |
|||
|
|||
|
Man With Hat
Collaborator
Jazz-Rock/Fusion/Canterbury Team Joined: March 12 2005 Location: Neurotica Status: Offline Points: 166178 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: January 09 2020 at 21:29 |
||
|
Not a poll. and no. This comes up a lot, but I believe the forum software does not allow it. I agree that it would be a preferred system to what we have, but we have what we have.
|
|||
|
Dig me...But don't...Bury me
I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
|||
|
|||
|
iluvmarillion
Forum Senior Member
Joined: February 09 2010 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 3236 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: January 09 2020 at 21:30 |
||
Agree. So many albums shouldn't even be associated with PA but because of the artist they are.
|
|||
|
|||
|
dougmcauliffe
Forum Senior Member
Joined: February 23 2019 Location: US Status: Offline Points: 3895 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: January 09 2020 at 21:54 |
||
|
Thought I posted this in prog lounge must have accidentally posted it in prog polls. My bad.
|
|||
|
The sun has left the sky...
...Now you can close your eyes |
|||
|
|||
|
tempest_77
Forum Senior Member
Joined: January 06 2018 Location: Maryland Status: Offline Points: 1662 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: January 10 2020 at 00:12 |
||
They have this system implemented on our sibling site, MetalMusicArchives.com, so I doubt it's an issue with software.
|
|||
|
|||
|
Psychedelic Paul
Forum Senior Member
Joined: September 16 2019 Location: Nottingham, U.K Status: Offline Points: 34788 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: January 10 2020 at 00:19 |
||
|
I like the PA system of assigning one genre to one artist just the way it is now.
|
|||
|
|||
|
Frenetic Zetetic
Forum Senior Member
Joined: December 09 2017 Location: Now Status: Offline Points: 9233 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: January 10 2020 at 01:15 |
||
Agreed. Also, I had no idea there was a MetalArchives site. I always went to https://www.metal-archives.com/, which from what I can see is a bit more comprehensive.
|
|||
|
"I am so prog, I listen to concept albums on shuffle." -KMac2021 |
|||
|
|||
|
Sean Trane
Special Collaborator 
Prog Folk Joined: April 29 2004 Location: Heart of Europe Status: Offline Points: 19618 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: January 10 2020 at 02:43 |
||
|
Personally, I'd always have prefered that an artiste band has
multiple genre right at the top, rather than start with album tagging For
ex, Tull would be prog folk (it seems to epitomize it despite only
having a minority of PF albums), but it should be also (*** shudders
awith utter fright ***) "ecclectic" , "crossover" and even heavy prog
as genres
Well MMA and JMA have been built on a different generation of software where it was possible to do that, whereas this site is really too old to go in and modify its structure without risking the whole thing to crumble down (just repeating what's been said by the owners a few years back). - Just how much work would it be to modify the software to include another column in the database's alphabetical order next to the first (supposedly main) genre to state the secondary genres (if any). - Currently, in the Admin zone, when opening up a page for an artiste, you have a rolldown menu for the main genre, but maybe installing a second rolldown menu for subsidiary genre could (wishful thinking, maybe) be easily set up - Would that be more risky than to go in the blueprint the album canvas page and create a rolldown menu like that we have one for the album type (studio/major, Live, Compilation, other/DVD, etc...), so setting one up for the subsidiary genre could be a solution as well (though not my preference) |
|||
|
|||
|
mathman0806
Forum Senior Member
Joined: June 06 2014 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 5978 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: January 10 2020 at 03:26 |
||
MMA also has half stars in ratings. But from what I read before, it was built later using a different database / software, and the data from PA just can't be moved into it. It would take building back up as new. |
|||
|
|||
|
Lewian
Prog Reviewer
Joined: August 09 2015 Location: Italy Status: Offline Points: 14110 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: January 10 2020 at 03:47 |
||
|
You've got to set up a new archive...
|
|||
|
|||
|
dougmcauliffe
Forum Senior Member
Joined: February 23 2019 Location: US Status: Offline Points: 3895 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: January 10 2020 at 05:54 |
||
|
Don’t wanna seem far fetched but is it in the realm of possibilities to crowd fund and hire someone who could possibly work around updating the system. I know pretty much close to nothing about if that’s even a possibility but I would be willing to contribute if so.
|
|||
|
The sun has left the sky...
...Now you can close your eyes |
|||
|
|||
|
SteveG
Forum Senior Member
Joined: April 11 2014 Location: Kyiv In Spirit Status: Offline Points: 20503 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: January 10 2020 at 06:03 |
||
|
|||
|
This message was brought to you by a proud supporter of the Deep State.
|
|||
|
|||
|
progaardvark
Collaborator
Crossover/Symphonic/RPI Teams Joined: June 14 2007 Location: Sea of Peas Status: Offline Points: 48737 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: January 10 2020 at 06:07 |
||
|
I like the way RYM does this. The genre assignment is voted on by the users of the site at the album level. Multiple genres are permitted. The most dominant genres percolate up to the band page.
I don't think the site owner of PA is actively doing much here other than populating it with ads.
|
|||
|
----------
i'm shopping for a new oil-cured sinus bag that's a happy bag of lettuce this car smells like cartilage nothing beats a good video about fractions |
|||
|
|||
|
dougmcauliffe
Forum Senior Member
Joined: February 23 2019 Location: US Status: Offline Points: 3895 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: January 10 2020 at 06:09 |
||
Toxic Donald Trump and Bikini ads at that, or maybe that’s just on my end 
|
|||
|
The sun has left the sky...
...Now you can close your eyes |
|||
|
|||
|
SteveG
Forum Senior Member
Joined: April 11 2014 Location: Kyiv In Spirit Status: Offline Points: 20503 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: January 10 2020 at 06:18 |
||
|
^ The bikini babes are better to look at than most stuff that's hawked on the web.
|
|||
|
This message was brought to you by a proud supporter of the Deep State.
|
|||
|
|||
|
AFlowerKingCrimson
Forum Senior Member
Joined: October 02 2016 Location: Philly burbs Status: Offline Points: 16188 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: January 10 2020 at 20:14 |
||
|
Probably not. Metal music archives does though.
Edited by AFlowerKingCrimson - January 10 2020 at 20:14 |
|||
|
|||
|
richardh
Prog Reviewer
Joined: February 18 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 26156 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: January 11 2020 at 01:13 |
||
|
Well admin could have plenty of 'fun' with King Crimson on this one! I think there is an argument for time periods being a driver to where an albums belongs genre wise. For the 'classic' prog bands (1969-1977) should largely be fixed. So I have no problem with all of KC's catalogue in that period being defined as one thing whatever that might be. Yes would obviously stay in symphonic up until Tormato but then after that there is a lot of crossover stuff and even prog related could be used. However what would any of this achieve? Does anyone really want to be able filter Crossover or Prog Related Stuff into a top 100? I don't understand the point of having this option. |
|||
|
|||
|
Tapfret
Special Collaborator
Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: August 12 2007 Location: Bryant, Wa Status: Offline Points: 8571 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: January 11 2020 at 11:00 |
||
|
Album tagging is the ideal approach to genre classification. But unless the site/domain is $pirited away from current ownership, its absolutely never going to happen.
|
|||
|
|||
|
Tapfret
Special Collaborator
Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: August 12 2007 Location: Bryant, Wa Status: Offline Points: 8571 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: January 11 2020 at 11:05 |
||
Any data can absolutely be ported, having seen much more extensive data on extra archaic systems plugged into upgraded platforms. But it requires will and financing. |
|||
|
|||
|
Post Reply
|
Page 123 5> |
| Forum Jump | Forum Permissions You cannot post new topics in this forum You cannot reply to topics in this forum You cannot delete your posts in this forum You cannot edit your posts in this forum You cannot create polls in this forum You cannot vote in polls in this forum |
Topic Options
BaldJean wrote: