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    Posted: January 17 2020 at 12:01
Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

Originally posted by timothy leary timothy leary wrote:

SmileI saw Yes and the Eagles together in Richmond, Virginia. Not really sure if the notion of prog rock existed at the time. To tell the truth I am not even sure of the year.

I saw that tour, Sept 22, 1972....CTTE tour.  It was amazing!  And no, there was not a single person who called Yes "prog rock" back then.  Art rock, theater rock etc.  


I think the punks invented the term "prog rock" in the late seventies. The term progressive rock was definitely used by 72 but nobody seemed to have abreviated it until later. I think the punks were using it as a sort of pejorative though.


Can't imagine this to be true. I mean, I don't have any better information, but as far as my experience with English language and its native speakers goes, no way can people say "progressive" through 5+ years without making "prog" of it!  


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Can we stick to music and our experiences of it? 
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Originally posted by M27Barney M27Barney wrote:

Grumpy old fooker alert! ^ sanctemonious wingeing is his speciality, misery, misery...

Good thing you are not smart enough to even comment on any part of the posting that makes sense ... it just shows how much you have heard over the years, and how much experience you have not attained ... to the point that all you can say is that someone is this and that ... and you forgot to look at the mirror.

I love and respect the music, and still have a very large collection.

I appreciate its artistry ... and all you have is a sanctimonious comment about nothing ... I'm not important ... the music and its content IS. And you changing the subject to me, is pathetic! And an insult to "progressive" music and this forum.
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Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

Originally posted by timothy leary timothy leary wrote:

SmileI saw Yes and the Eagles together in Richmond, Virginia. Not really sure if the notion of prog rock existed at the time. To tell the truth I am not even sure of the year.

I saw that tour, Sept 22, 1972....CTTE tour.  It was amazing!  And no, there was not a single person who called Yes "prog rock" back then.  Art rock, theater rock etc.  

I think the punks invented the term "prog rock" in the late seventies. The term progressive rock was definitely used by 72 but nobody seemed to have abreviated it until later. I think the punks were using it as a sort of pejorative though.

Can't imagine this to be true. I mean, I don't have any better information, but as far as my experience with English language and its native speakers goes, no way can people say "progressive" through 5+ years without making "prog" of it!  
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Originally posted by Hercules Hercules wrote:

I'm in my 70s (just) and was there at the very start of prog. I was in Cambridge in the late 60s, then in SE London during the early 70s. I suspect I was one of the very first prog fans.
I was never into early Floyd or The Moody Blues; my favourite bands were Fairport Convention and The Nice. I liked Procol Harum and Family's early albums, but never thought of them as true prog. The first offerings from Genesis, Caravan, Yes, Jethro Tull and Floyd do nothing for me. I did buy ITCOTCK and initially found it interesting, but went off it (and KC) completely very quickly and VDGG have never done anything for me, as I cannot stand Hamill's vocal style.
For me, prog really found its feet in the very early 70s, with bands like Mannfred Mann's Earthband, Strawbs (as a prog band), Renaissance and Gentle Giant launching, The Nice morphing into ELP and the big six finding their prog feet.
The 60s set the scene, but the 70s were when prog became the powerhouse it was (and to some extent, still is).


The wisdom that comes from years of experience! Hats off!

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Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

Originally posted by timothy leary timothy leary wrote:

SmileI saw Yes and the Eagles together in Richmond, Virginia. Not really sure if the notion of prog rock existed at the time. To tell the truth I am not even sure of the year.

I saw that tour, Sept 22, 1972....CTTE tour.  It was amazing!  And no, there was not a single person who called Yes "prog rock" back then.  Art rock, theater rock etc.  

I think the punks invented the term "prog rock" in the late seventies. The term progressive rock was definitely used by 72 but nobody seemed to have abreviated it until later. I think the punks were using it as a sort of pejorative though.


Edited by AFlowerKingCrimson - January 14 2020 at 16:01
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Originally posted by timothy leary timothy leary wrote:

SmileI saw Yes and the Eagles together in Richmond, Virginia. Not really sure if the notion of prog rock existed at the time. To tell the truth I am not even sure of the year.

I think that was the Eagles first US tour so 1972(CTTE tour).  You may have forgotten but forgotten yesterdays hasn't forgotten. ;) http://forgotten-yesterdays.com/dates.asp?qbandid=1&qdec=1970
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Originally posted by timothy leary timothy leary wrote:

SmileI saw Yes and the Eagles together in Richmond, Virginia. Not really sure if the notion of prog rock existed at the time. To tell the truth I am not even sure of the year.

I saw that tour, Sept 22, 1972....CTTE tour.  It was amazing!  And no, there was not a single person who called Yes "prog rock" back then.  Art rock, theater rock etc.  
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SmileI saw Yes and the Eagles together in Richmond, Virginia. Not really sure if the notion of prog rock existed at the time. To tell the truth I am not even sure of the year.
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Originally posted by timothy leary timothy leary wrote:

Most 70 year olds have moved beyond bashing folks

Thought it was the opposite: the older you get, the more pissed off and annoyed you are.

Looking at my uncles (all 70+) that seem quite true since it looks to me that they have only one thing in mind...War! jealously, resentment and fighting each other taking much of their time. Hope I won't be like them.

'Old man what the hell you gonna kill next, old timer who you gonna kill next'

edit: thinking of it, they are rather zen now since they don't really talk to each other anymore...it was far worse when they were in their sixties.

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After a few moments on Wikipedia, I present the following information:

Robert Fripp:  16 May 1946 (age 73)


Steve Howe:  8 April 1947 (age 72)


Jon Anderson:  25 October 1944 (age 75)


Steve Hackett:  12 February 1950 (age 69)


Rick Wakeman:  18 May 1949 (age 70)


John McLaughlin:  4 January 1942 (age 78)


Mel Collins:  5 September 1947 (age 72)


Brian Eno:  15 May 1948 (age 71)



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Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Originally posted by timothy leary timothy leary wrote:

Most 70 year olds have moved beyond bashing folks


Something everyone should have outgrown by the time they are 25 but of course that's not always the case.

I was not attacking mosh coz of his age.I used it as a label to hang the word sanctimonious off....his posts sre so rediculously condescending...
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Originally posted by timothy leary timothy leary wrote:

Most 70 year olds have moved beyond bashing folks

Something everyone should have outgrown by the time they are 25 but of course that's not always the case.
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Most 70 year olds have moved beyond bashing folks
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Grumpy old fooker alert! ^ sanctemonious wingeing is his speciality, misery, misery...

Edited by M27Barney - January 14 2020 at 00:15
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Hi,

I'm probably the odd man out ... in this group ... music for me, after having been in Portugal until I was 9 and then in Brazil until I was 15, and then come to America, I started getting into a lot of music back in the mid 60's and I suppose that the Beatles and Rolling Stones were very valuable, but then so was Maria Bethania, and a huge number of Brazilians, some that became well known, and others that were lost to time and not considered important ... but at least Villa Lobos was remembered!

Music for me, was already a "progressive" affair ... you did not hear "Carcara" by Maria Bethania ... and not realize the incredible emotional pull and strength of that song and its lyrics ... it made the guy in "Apocalypse Now" seem fat and bloated just because he had the money to show what she sang about, in a movie to shock the sh*t out of our imaginations.

Movies were important, to bust a lot of your ideas and mind in those days, but music was there before and already had a lot of history and material that made a lot of polka dot bikini music sound really stupid and sick ... it wasn't even fun at all ... and it merely showed the commercial side obviously trying to scam money fast and furiously when you saw the media tear into Maria Bethania and so many others for doing the things they were doing ... all of you folks that "were" and "became" progressive, completely ignored the content of the music ... for an imaginary ideal that called it "progressive" when ITCOTCK is as much a poetic album as it is a political album, even though things are beautifully masked ... to sound like poetry ... and not make a political statement ... something that was the life of a lot of Hyde Park shows, that we continually ignore ... we remember some bands were there, but we intentionally ignore a handful of them, and I find the complete leaving behind of bands like The Edgar Broughton Band, and then folks like Roy Harper ... an incredible sad story ... Roy is a magnificent poet and writer ... but no one would give him a chance because if you asked for one of his "hits", he probably would throw his bottle of beer at you and tell you to leave!

We still, here, can not discuss these last two ...like their words don't mean sh*t ... and we think the heavens of a PG this or that ... when his words are nothing compared to the real thing!

I'm not angry ... it's the same thing in all the arts ... there are as many more folks that are not appreciated that some "prog" and "progressive" folks will never listen to ... because it will create a break on their ideas of the "prog" and "progressive" concepts in their head ... but all of the arts in the 1950's and 1960's were specially progressive and experimental, which helped determine the 1970's ... however, the 1970's was way more about the sales and the money than it was about the arts ... so someone saying that this band or that band for me were the big 5, or the big poop ... is just as silly and ridiculous as any other comment, the kind of stuff that some folks don't like me talking about and writing, as I do about it.
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Damn..you are even more ancient than me.

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Getting to see some of the bands in their heyday was special and not so expensive.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote AFlowerKingCrimson Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 13 2020 at 10:24
To be honest I'm surprised there's anyone in their seventies on this site. By the looks of this thread though there appears to be about three(so far). I myself am not quite fifty so I still have a little over 20 years to go. Tongue

Edited by AFlowerKingCrimson - January 13 2020 at 10:24
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The first album I actually bought was Jefferson Airplane's Volunteers. Loved the anti establishment vibe.

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