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No metal but you have Ozzy. Ozzy is practically the text book definition of metal! Tongue
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Donald Fagen and Tim Buckley.
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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

I'm looking forward to the Top 20 list of female singers. I just hope Annie Haslam will be included, even though she wasn't considered proggy enough for inclusion in ProgArchives. Smile
Here`s mine (athough most are not proggy at all):
1. P J Harvey
2. Sandy Denny
3. Kate Bush
4. Nico
5. Bobbie Watson
6. Laura Nyro
7. Judy Dyble
8. Ana Da Silva
9. Janis Ian
10. Nina Simone
11. Björk
12. Siouxsie-Sioux
13. Annie Haslam
14. Yasuko Onuki
15. Billie Holiday
16. Tuula Amberla
17. Stella Vander
18. Buffy Sainte-Marie
19. Nina Hagen
20. Yoko Ono
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Guldbamsen Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 17 2020 at 05:24
Originally posted by tamijo_II tamijo_II wrote:

Originally posted by Guldbamsen Guldbamsen wrote:

I was just about to mention Paul Rodgers missing from your list seeing as you seem to have an affinity for those singers that somehow are able to pull back the sack and hit those girlish rock cries
*You did welcome folks to rip your list apart*

Just pulling your leg There are a bunch of singers on that list whom I personally adore. My alltime fave also in Jim
I’m not sure I can do such a list without missing a fair few of my faves plus my faves tend to change with the wind...though never Jim We arrived at an understanding many years ago.

Some faves off the top of my head?

Jim
Catherine Riberoux
Franco Battiato
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Brendan Perry
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David Bowie
Susanne Sundfør
Lucio Battisti
Lou Reed


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Hi Jon - long time no see
Just so happens that the last time you mentioned that Dissing album I went out and bought myself a used vinyl copy of the very same. It’s still a somewhat ‘fresh’ album to these ears, so I spin it rather often...and then I go for something like 6 Elefantskovcikadeviser afterwards

Edith: ahem...I guess my post took some mescalin before it decided to unravel itself.

Edited by Guldbamsen - January 17 2020 at 05:25
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Originally posted by Mortte Mortte wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

I'm looking forward to the Top 20 list of female singers. I just hope Annie Haslam will be included, even though she wasn't considered proggy enough for inclusion in ProgArchives. Smile
Here`s mine (athough most are not proggy at all):
1. P J Harvey
2. Sandy Denny
3. Kate Bush
4. Nico
5. Bobbie Watson
6. Laura Nyro
7. Judy Dyble
8. Ana Da Silva
9. Janis Ian
10. Nina Simone
11. Björk
12. Siouxsie-Sioux
13. Annie Haslam
14. Yasuko Onuki
15. Billie Holiday
16. Tuula Amberla
17. Stella Vander
18. Buffy Sainte-Marie
19. Nina Hagen
20. Yoko Ono
Are you seriously suggesting  Yoko Ono is one of the twenty best female singers of all time? Tongue


Edited by Psychedelic Paul - January 17 2020 at 06:53
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote dr wu23 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 17 2020 at 11:08
Many great ones on those lists...the only one missing for me is Steve Marriott  from the Small Faces and Humble Pie.
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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by Mortte Mortte wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

I'm looking forward to the Top 20 list of female singers. I just hope Annie Haslam will be included, even though she wasn't considered proggy enough for inclusion in ProgArchives. Smile
Here`s mine (athough most are not proggy at all):
1. P J Harvey
2. Sandy Denny
3. Kate Bush
4. Nico
5. Bobbie Watson
6. Laura Nyro
7. Judy Dyble
8. Ana Da Silva
9. Janis Ian
10. Nina Simone
11. Björk
12. Siouxsie-Sioux
13. Annie Haslam
14. Yasuko Onuki
15. Billie Holiday
16. Tuula Amberla
17. Stella Vander
18. Buffy Sainte-Marie
19. Nina Hagen
20. Yoko Ono
Are you seriously suggesting  Yoko Ono is one of the twenty best female singers of all time? Tongue
Yes, I am serious. I used to hate her, but then wanted to listen those two first albums she made with Lennon and found out her very primitive style fascinating. Can you say anybody else like her?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Psychedelic Paul Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 18 2020 at 07:17
Originally posted by Mortte Mortte wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by Mortte Mortte wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

I'm looking forward to the Top 20 list of female singers. I just hope Annie Haslam will be included, even though she wasn't considered proggy enough for inclusion in ProgArchives. Smile
Here`s mine (athough most are not proggy at all):
1. P J Harvey
2. Sandy Denny
3. Kate Bush
4. Nico
5. Bobbie Watson
6. Laura Nyro
7. Judy Dyble
8. Ana Da Silva
9. Janis Ian
10. Nina Simone
11. Björk
12. Siouxsie-Sioux
13. Annie Haslam
14. Yasuko Onuki
15. Billie Holiday
16. Tuula Amberla
17. Stella Vander
18. Buffy Sainte-Marie
19. Nina Hagen
20. Yoko Ono
Are you seriously suggesting  Yoko Ono is one of the twenty best female singers of all time? Tongue
Yes, I am serious. I used to hate her, but then wanted to listen those two first albums she made with Lennon and found out her very primitive style fascinating. Can you say anybody else like her?
 
No, she's one of a kind. Smile
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Originally posted by thief thief wrote:

Hi, I'm trying to come up with my personal list of Top 20 Vocalists in Rock History.
It's a very, very narrow grouping, once I started the writeup I had 20 names on the list and 40+ substitutes... and I'm sure it still has obvious, glaring weaknesses.

I ask you to criticize the list and suggest different placement and/or names, taking into account my criteria:
  • covering rock music since ~1965 to 90s (some would say it's "classic rock")
  • hard/prog are generally >>> soft/pop
  • points for Skills, Fame, Influence and Unique Voice
  • avoiding blues, metal, fusion, rock'n'roll etc.
20. Ozzy Osbourne
19. Steven Tyler
18. David Byron
17. Greg Lake
16. Bon Scott
15. Bruce Springsteen
14. Geddy Lee
13. Axl Rose
12. Peter Gabriel
11. Jim Morrison
10. Paul McCartney
09. Chris Cornell
08. Steve Perry
07. Roger Daltrey
06. Ian Gillan
05. David Coverdale
04. Jon Anderson
03. Ronnie James Dio
02. Freddie Mercury
01. Robert Plant

HM: David Bowie, Eddie Vedder, Rod Stewart, Jack Bruce, David Gilmour, Paul Rodgers, Ian Anderson, Phil Collins, Cedric Bixler-Zavala, Peter Hammill, Bryan Ferry, Phil Lynott, Nick Cave...


Would definitely remove AXL as already suggested by others.  Either of Ian Anderson or Hammill can take his place.  Highly questionable whether Springsteen should be there either.  I know he is a big NAME but in terms of singing quality, he is ok and it's more his songwriting doing the work for him.  

I also find hard rock isn't much represented in your list (or maybe that it's a tad biased towards BRITISH hard rock/metal).  Either or DLR or Sammy Hagar should totally make the list, more so Hagar.  I would actually want to include Jack Russell of Great White but since you said you are trying to focus on famous names, I guess not.  Even speaking of famous names, though, Layne Staley should be there. As well, Brian Johnson is a great hard rock singer in his own right.  On the other hand, Ozzy is very famous but middling as a singer purely.
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My female singers list:

1.  Annie Haslam
2.  Floor Jansen
3.  Karen Carpenter
4.  Barbra Streisand
5.  Linda Eder
6.  Aretha Franklin
7.  Fiona Apple
8.  Sandy Denny
9.  Liza Minnelli
10. Minnie Riperton
11.  Beth Hart
12.  Agnetha Falstkog
13.  Linda Ronstadt
14.  Phyllis Hyman
15.  Tori Amos
16.  Lianne La Havas
17.  Kate Bush
18.  Bjork
19.  Joni Mitchell
20.  Sara Bareilles

The above is purely as per personal preferences.

If I had to rank for influence and importance:

1.  Aretha Franklin
2.  Barbra Streisand
3.  Janis Joplin
4.  Grace Slick
5.  Joni Mitchell
6.  Joan Baez
7.   Sandy Denny
8.    Linda Ronstadt
9.    Karen Carpenter
10.  Ann Wilson
11.  Whitney Houston
12.  Mariah Carey
13.  Celine Dion
14.  Amy Winehouse
15.  Pat Benatar 
16.  Kate Bush
17.  Bjork
18. Joan Jett
19.  Elizabeth Fraser
20. Siouxsie Sioux

I had originally included Dolores O'Riordian too in the influence/importance.  She will have to be a honourable mention instead.


Edited by rogerthat - January 18 2020 at 10:02
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Prog
Chris Thompson
Justin Hayward
Greg Lake
John Wetton
Annie Haslam
Peter Nicholls
Peter Gabriel
Kate Bush
Steve Walsh
Pete Hammill

Other
Tom Smith (Editors)
John Lydon/Johnny Rotten
Agnetha Fältskog
Bryan Ferry
Bruce Dickinson
Brian Connolly
Natasha Khan (Bat For Lashes)
Brad Delp







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In no order..


Prog/Prog related etc..

Justin Hayward
Peter Gabriel
Phil Collins
Kate Bush
Peter Hammill
Geddy Lee
Annie Haslam
John Wetton
Greg Lake
Freddie Mercury
Dave Gilmour
Adrian Belew
Fish
Jon Anderson
Sonja Kristina


Non prog:
Bjork
David Coverdale
Ian Gillan
Robert Plant
Bruce Dickinson
Ronnie James Dio
Stevie Nicks
Siouxsie Sioux
David Sylvian
Liz Fraser
Nick Drake
Tom Jones
Scott Walker
Robert Smith
Minnie Ripperton
Marvin Gaye
David Bowie


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This is my list;

Jon Anderson
Greg Lake
John Wetton
Sandy Denny
Gary Brooker
Ella Fitzgerald
Kate Bush
Annie Haslam
Peter Gabriel
Beth Gibbons

I'm sure I have missed a few


Edited by Ruby900 - January 20 2020 at 15:16
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I know this is a prog site but I cannot believe that John Lennon hasn't been mentioned once.

"John had an inborn dislike of his own voice, which I could never understand, as it was one of the best voices I've heard" George Martin

Listen to the 1963 version of Twist and Shout. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RicaUqd9Hg

Incredible.

The album, Please Please Me was recorded on 1 day in ~13 hours........ from Wikipedia.......
at 10:00 am on Monday, 11 February 1963, the Beatles began working their way through their live set song by song, the number of takes varying on each, and finished at 10:45 pm – less than 13 hours later – capturing in essence an authentic representation of the band's Cavern Club-era sound. The day ended with a cover of "Twist and Shout", which had to be recorded last because John Lennon had a particularly bad cold and Martin feared the throat-shredding vocal would ruin Lennon's voice for the day.......

There are other numerous examples of his rock vocal qualities
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^The real lol moment is that someone above has put Yoko Ono in at No. 20 and excluded John from the list!

Irony is underrated.
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Originally posted by BarryGlibb BarryGlibb wrote:

^The real lol moment is that someone above has put Yoko Ono in at No. 20 and excluded John from the list!

Irony is underrated.


Oh, I see it was a list of female singers. I thought Yoko only spoke or screamed. I must check out her back catalogue.
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^You can always been macho man, that can´t stand any woman´s primitivity (or course for man it has been allowed a long time), but to me Lennon hasn´t ever been fav singer. He has quite weak voice, he just made really many great songs. Or course Lennon, McCartney & Harrison sounded really great together.
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Well, I find Yoko´s "her-expessing" just great, but she can also sing:
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Whoah, lots of replies this week :)

Originally posted by rogerthat rogerthat wrote:

Would definitely remove AXL as already suggested by others.  Either of Ian Anderson or Hammill can take his place.  Highly questionable whether Springsteen should be there either.  I know he is a big NAME but in terms of singing quality, he is ok and it's more his songwriting doing the work for him.
As I see it, Axl is much more "removable" than Bruce, but I've already covered Guns N'Roses in this thread. Focusing on Bruce, I thoroughly enjoy him singing on top of his lungs in straight-out rockers ("Born in the USA"), as well as more bluesy ("Back in Your Arms" live), affectionate ("Atlantic City") and even intimate ("I'm on Fire") songs. As I see it, the guy has a charcoal timbre, but with lots of kinetic energy and feeling to it. Not to mention fame and influence - these are less important for me, but still undeniable.

I'd love to squeeze Ian's name somewhere because he is a wonderful stage performer, composer, a huge talent; but he killed his voice a long time ago, while Bruce is playing for 3 hours a gig singing with 90% of his old power.

Originally posted by rogerthat rogerthat wrote:

I also find hard rock isn't much represented in your list (or maybe that it's a tad biased towards BRITISH hard rock/metal).  Either or DLR or Sammy Hagar should totally make the list, more so Hagar.  I would actually want to include Jack Russell of Great White but since you said you are trying to focus on famous names, I guess not.  Even speaking of famous names, though, Layne Staley should be there. As well, Brian Johnson is a great hard rock singer in his own right.  On the other hand, Ozzy is very famous but middling as a singer purely.
When it comes to over/underrepresentation, it's hard to appease both UK and US rock enthusiasts. I'm definitely more of a "UK singers" camp, growing up with this stuff and all, but learnt to appreciate US rock bands as well. Having said that:
- Sammy Hagar > David Lee Roth vocally, although I prefer earlier VH releases;
- Layne Staley is my favorite name you mentioned! Should've included him as an honorable mention;
- Jack Russell, I'll check him out some day;
- Brian Johnson was impressive in the 80s, agreed, but I felt two AC/DC singers is a bit much, so I picked Scott, he spewed vitriol and was a definition of savage!
- now for Ozzy...

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

No metal but you have Ozzy. Ozzy is practically the text book definition of metal! Tongue
Black Sabbath and Metal is a complex issue, I must say. There are arguments going both ways actually.

Sabbath as a Rock band:
- debut in 1970, in the heart of Rock era
- lots of blues rock solos, licks and riffs
- Geezer Butler always said Black Sabbath was a heavy, raw blues rock band
- they toured with hard rock bands a lot and were seen as part of the movement then
- at first they were much closer to Zeppelin, Purple, Heep, Sir Lord Baltimore etc. than heavy metal of late 70s (Judas, Saxon, Quartz)
- their traditional sound had very little to do with extreme metal esthetics of the 80s (thrash+ )

Sabbath as a Metal band:
- dark, horror imagery followed by gloomy lyrics
- seemingly interested in the occult (well that was a schtick, I believe Jimmy Page had much more real interest and knowledge on this than anyone on Sabbath)
- pretty much every single metal performer names Black Sabbath as an influence (but they also name Zeppelin and others!)
- some songs really sound like templates for future genres, i.e. "Symptom of the Universe" with a thrashy riff, "Sweet Leaf" as a stoner anthem
- Ronnie James Dio era wasn't that different from NWOBHM acts of the time
- imho the most important argument: they created original Doom Metal sounds without knowing it, and they deserve credit for this

For me, they are OVERARCHING both genres and calling them a Metal Band is oversimplification :) That's why I feel Ozzy can be included on rock lists (same thing with Tony, Geezer and Bill!!!)
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I agree with that summary of Sabbath, but while Ozzy had a significant role in shaping that sound, he wasn't the sole driving force. In terms of VOCAL influence, it is Ian Gillian and Ronnie himself who proved more influential, with only stoner singers following Ozzy's lead. Speaking of Dio, yes, the Door Sabbath albums are like NWOBHM but that was essentially Due carrying on from where he left at Rainbow. Rainbow and JP were massive influences on NWOBHM. Rather, I should say they had already shaped that sound, particularly Priest, before Maiden came along. Of course Maiden became more successful than the other two and we know that history is written by the victors. Just like Eddie VH claiming for the longest time that he invented tapping.
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