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Gordy ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Folk/Eclectic/PSIKE/Metal/Post/Math Team Joined: January 25 2007 Location: US Status: Offline Points: 4479 |
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Nodding God are a British electronic trio consisting of David Tibet of Current 93, veteran surrealist producer Andrew Liles and a third, probably fictitious member known as "The UnderAge Shaitan Boy." Their debut and so far only record, Play Wooden Child, was released in 2019. A particularly bizarre, post-industrial take on Berlin School, Nodding God will appeal to fans of Klaus Schulze, Pekka Airaksinen, Teleplasmiste, UnicaZürn and the more acid-fried moments of Kösmonaut.
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Gordy ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Folk/Eclectic/PSIKE/Metal/Post/Math Team Joined: January 25 2007 Location: US Status: Offline Points: 4479 |
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Bump. Hope I'm adhering to the new submission guidelines correctly. Also I see they were added to Progfreak a couple years ago (and their sole album was labelled "Avant-Garde Prog Rock").
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Gordy ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Folk/Eclectic/PSIKE/Metal/Post/Math Team Joined: January 25 2007 Location: US Status: Offline Points: 4479 |
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For what it's worth, the Encyclopedia of Electronic Music (whose focus is singularly on Prog Electronic and its offshoots) just added an entry for these guys:
"Electronic band consisting of Andrew Liles (mostly on various guitars), David Tibet of Current 93 reciting in Assyrian and Babylonian language and an anonymous synthesist who goes by the name of "Shaitan-Boy". The latter, in particular, plays instruments like the Birotron, Davolisint, Ensoniq Fizmo, EMS Synthi KB1 and Yamaha DX7, creating a very nice, proggy synth backing to Tibet's rants and Liles' guitars, which are almost non-existent. Very singular stuff. I guess that's the kind of EM that king Nebuchadnezzar would play together with a Zoroastrian priest if they had synths at that time."
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Rivertree ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator / Band Submissions Joined: March 22 2006 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 17658 |
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well, this is a project like 100.000 others who are producing electronic music with experimental character.
I can't hear a DOMINANT Berlin School oriented progressive electronic essence this website necessarily is concentrating on ... On the contrary we widely would open all doors - 'if project XXX is here, why not project YYY?' - just considering the global situation ... Even if willing, we are simply unable to fulfill all of these wishes. |
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Gordy ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Folk/Eclectic/PSIKE/Metal/Post/Math Team Joined: January 25 2007 Location: US Status: Offline Points: 4479 |
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I really don't understand the dismissiveness in your response. Let's discuss this: there are indeed a great many groups attempting experimental electronic music, and a great deal of redundancy - the same issue could be brought up under nearly any of the other subgenres on PA. I suggested this project due to its uniqueness, the resumes of the two senior members and its adherence to PA's definition of PE ("intricate, moving, cerebral, intrusive electronic experiences that get involved in 'kosmische', dark ambient, (post) industrial, droning, surreal or impressionist soundscapes territories."). I'm genuinely curious how groups like Zoviet France, Crawl Unit or Aube got admitted despite their lack of dominant Berlin School affiliation, and why others like Laozi, Dynamo Snackbar, Astral TV and Volt are here despite being part of those hundreds of thousands you mentioned who don't bring anything new to the table.
Between PE, Krautrock and Psych/Space, I have over 100 forthcoming suggestions which I've compiled over the past ten years, and none are straightforward Tangerine Dream or Klaus Schulze clones, nor are they frivolous. Will each be met with similar resistance without even a call for a vote? Please note, when tech metal group Azusa were recently suggested (http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=125912), you mentioned they reminded you of thrash metal and nothing more, but the metal team ended up voting for their admission. All I ask, in my pseudo-lawyerly capacity, is that my suggestion gets its day in court, so to speak, and a proper evaluation from the rest of the PSIKE team. Edited by Gordy - April 29 2021 at 08:34 |
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nick_h_nz ![]() Collaborator ![]() ![]() Prog Metal / Heavy Prog Team Joined: March 01 2013 Location: Suffolk, UK Status: Offline Points: 6742 |
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Anything David Tibet puts his name to is prog. Whether or not it is prog that is accepted by PA is something entirely different. He’s worked with Daniel O’Sullivan, Stephen O’Malley, Massimo Pupillo and other noted individuals who are no more or less prog than himself.
His albums have been reviewed by multiple prog websites that consider his music prog, and the House of Mythology label that’s released much of it is generally thought of as a prog record label. Sometime you just have to accept that some bands and artists are thought of and accepted as prog outside this website, but not by his website. Remember, what is or is not prog is always subjective, and PA tends to have a more narrow scope, or I guess it would be overwhelmed and overwhelming. If it makes you feel better, I definitely consider Nodding God to be prog. 👍🏻 [EDIT] I had a look to see, and it would appear that Current 93 is in PA under prog folk( http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=7041 ); and the Current 93/Zu collaboration is included in PA as a Zu album ( http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=57788 ). Perhaps, Nodding God could be put forward for Progressive Electronic, and if it doesn’t meet the bill, come under Prog Related? If I understand correctly, for a band to be considered for Prog Related, it needs to be considered by a genre team first. I think it is prog, rather than prog related, but something is better than nothing... Edited by nick_h_nz - April 29 2021 at 09:19 |
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rushfan4 ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: May 22 2007 Location: Michigan, U.S. Status: Offline Points: 66721 |
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I added them to ProgFreak so don't give much weight to my labeling of them as RIO/Avant. I came across them via a review in Prog magazine. I thought that I had suggested them back when I added them to ProgFreak, but I don't find any reference to my posts with a search.
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Gordy ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Folk/Eclectic/PSIKE/Metal/Post/Math Team Joined: January 25 2007 Location: US Status: Offline Points: 4479 |
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Sorry for my lateness, I was just frustrated and needed to step away for a bit. Thank you Nick and Scott for your replies and patience.
@nick_h_nz: I appreciate your support. I'm trying to understand the dialectic of something being objectively "prog" but not prog enough for PA's standards. I would like to think my suggestions are not unreasonable. I believe Nurse With Wound belong here, for instance, and see no reason why their inclusion would open any floodgates or render PA illegitimate (the uniqueness of the project notwithstanding, they have direct material links to krautrock, are primarily inspired by progressive rock artists and sound like a synthesis of all their influences, making them progressive in the literal sense, too). There have been some fascinating and decidedly left-field projects that have been admitted over the past ten years, with the most outré being Crawl Unit, Allegory Chapel Ltd. and Aube, though I understand the latter's inclusion more than the former two. My understanding and appreciation for what is PE expanded with the inclusion of acts such as Zoviet France, Coil and Rapoon, all of whom have surreal, occult takes on Zeit- and Irrlicht-style dark ambient which I love. Keeping these expanded - but not yet unreasonable - parameters in mind, I thought Nodding God would be a safe suggestion, perhaps even a shoo-in, so I've still been surprised that it received such a tepid response. Despite the discussion of the subjective nature of what is "prog," particularly prog electronic, I won't care what the outcome is, I simply hope the project can be given a proper judgement on Progfreak. From my limited understanding, I think a band has to be a special circumstance as well as influential to be designated Prog-Related, and Nodding God are too young to qualify (despite the credentials of Tibet and Liles). @rushfan4: Thanks for clarifying. Haven't read that mag in years but I remember they'd uncover some really delightful gems. Wish I could've seen their review of this material.
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DamoXt7942 ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Joined: October 15 2008 Location: Okayama, Japan Status: Offline Points: 17493 |
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Sorry but as Uwe mentions above, their basic policy cannot accept this project.
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