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I wasn't thinking about his voice, but now that you're asking, I'm gonna make some time for some GG and get back to you. 

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Very powerful voice.  Really fits with the music.  
Not necessarily in my top 5, but Gentle Giant's music is superb.
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I don't have a problem with his voice at all.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote BrufordFreak Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 29 2020 at 13:37
I like all of the GG voices--especially when used in woven harmonies--though I LOVE Kerry Minnear's soothing, troubadour-sounding voice the best.
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Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Originally posted by Awesoreno Awesoreno wrote:

I guess a pertinent question is: how many have been warded off from the band specifically because of his vocals?

Hi,

I can tell you that at the time the stuff came out and it was being played in the LA area, that there were no problems with the voice ... but somehow 45 years later, all you can think is that the voice is this or that ... DO YOU REALLY THINK THAT IT WOULD LAST THAT LONG IF IT WEREN'T GOOD? Have you any idea how many folks have loved these vocals and the harmonies not to mention the music?

This line of questioning needs to be dumped by the administrators ... I see this as an attempt to mess up with people's minds in the board.
I saw a pattern happening, and thought I'd make one with a vocalist that I personally have heard get some grief. As a huge fan of the band, I was always saddened when some couldn't get past his vocals. This happened to me just today actually. Made a playlist for my friend, and they said they couldn't stomach this one song because of the vocalist. I had a feeling it would be Proclamation, and it was. Oh well. 

I am fully aware of how popular they were in the States for a bit. I research bands I enjoy quite heavily. I merely decided to join the fun with these threads to know if anyone else had run into the same dilemma. My question stands, but I'll be more specific: has anyone else known people who were turned off by GG just because of Derek?
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Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

I've always felt that GG would have been a bit more popular if they had a different lead singer. The same thing with PG era Genesis.

Well didn't they knock back Elton John? That would have made them a bit more popular. Not that popularity matters. They're good the way they are. Their vocals are fine.
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I love, love, love the vocals, the instruments, the harmonies, the compositions and EVERYTHING about Gentle Giant. The vocals are what make them stand out even more. They are an acquired taste for many but once one has "Acquired The Taste," their style sounds perfect to my ears.

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Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

This line of questioning needs to be dumped by the administrators ... I see this as an attempt to mess up with people's minds into the board.
I see nothing wrong with this or any question here. The administrators should leave it be. Several posts on the "Have any famous proggers ever stopped by PA" thread, were deleted. Don't know why.


Hi,

I'm OK with the admins in PA and their choices even if it seems like sometimes I do not. But there are times when some threads are more about creating what might be considered a poor set of postings that do not help the boards standing within a world of music ... and there are many folks here that work way too hard to ensure that PROGRESSIVE MUSIC is heard and remembered.

And some of these "voice" posts, are not helped by some very keen and well defined CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM, and almost all of them only have "like" and "dislike" ... which is not something that helps evaluate the music any better ... your tastes and mine, have nothing to do with the music itself! In fact, sometimes it was created simply because ... there was nothing like it, and someone wondered what it would sound like with electric instruments ... GG succeeded and were later copied senseless ... but no one could "redo" what they did properly in so many albums!

To me, that's the definition of a great band, regardless of my like/dislike, and their music ... and I think that it is important to show them value ... and simply saying I hate it, is not a proper/good comment to make about the vocals ... which are more about music and its history and design, that most of us have any idea about ... which ought to tell you the musicality of some of those folks ... way above average!
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Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Hi,

I'm OK with the admins in PA and their choices even if it seems like sometimes I do not. But there are times when some threads are more about creating what might be considered a poor set of postings that do not help the boards standing within a world of music ... and there are many folks here that work way too hard to ensure that PROGRESSIVE MUSIC is heard and remembered.



This is utterly fantastic, please consider this valuable input when creating your threads, the world is watching with bated breath LOL
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Originally posted by Awesoreno Awesoreno wrote:

I saw a pattern happening, and thought I'd make one with a vocalist that I personally have heard get some grief. As a huge fan of the band, I was always saddened when some couldn't get past his vocals. This happened to me just today actually. Made a playlist for my friend, and they said they couldn't stomach this one song because of the vocalist. I had a feeling it would be Proclamation, and it was. Oh well. 

I am fully aware of how popular they were in the States for a bit. I research bands I enjoy quite heavily. I merely decided to join the fun with these threads to know if anyone else had run into the same dilemma. My question stands, but I'll be more specific: has anyone else known people who were turned off by GG just because of Derek?

Not turned off but I would gladly live without his vocals and would much rather have Minnear or Phil's vocals.  

To Mosh: please don't take this as an invitation to deliver a sermon. I own a bunch of GG albums as well as two of their DVDs.  I am a huge fan.  I don't see how Derek's vocals help though. At all.  Yes, one could get conditioned to and used to listening to his vocals in a GG context such that eventually you can't do without him but that's different.  You don't want to listen to him sing, idk, In The Bleak Midwinter or something.  He's no Justin Hayward or Richard Sinclair. 


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Originally posted by rogerthat rogerthat wrote:

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To Mosh: please don't take this as an invitation to deliver a sermon. I own a bunch of GG albums as well as two of their DVDs.  I am a huge fan.  I don't see how Derek's vocals help though. At all.  Yes, one could get conditioned to and used to listening to his vocals in a GG context such that eventually you can't do without him but that's different.  You don't want to listen to him sing, idk, In The Bleak Midwinter or something.  He's no Justin Hayward or Richard Sinclair. 

HI,

No sermon needed. You did what many did not. Explain yourself and that is all I ask folks to do, so the comment does not come off as silly and stupid.

Sometimes, though, I think that a lot of Progressive Music is more about the voices involved than anything else ... I mean, if we look at many of the top folks in the list, almost none of them are "pure singers" ... at all ... they are very good at adjusting their feeling and expression to the music they created. AND, that's an art in and by itself ... !!!


Edited by moshkito - April 30 2020 at 10:55
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I think this discussion might be getting too serious for this thread. It's great to want these forums for to be the prog equivalent of salon in France in the late 1700s, and I enjoy those kinds of discussions. But this site, like music, can also be used as a form of escape. I think some people (like me) posting these voice threads are merely trying to have fun. And it IS inciting discussion. I definitely envisioned people responding more than just "I like it" or "I don't like it," which is why I clarified that I want to hear any stories about people trying to show GG to friends or family and were rebuked merely because of Derek. I brought this up because it had been a point of contention for me and others (I personally think it suited the band). 

However, this is a prog "lounge," so I believe it should be relaxed. Especially in these trying times with the pandemic, it can be nice to just have fun in a simple discussion of likes, dislikes, and stories. As long as we respect each others opinions on the arts.
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Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Originally posted by rogerthat rogerthat wrote:

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To Mosh: please don't take this as an invitation to deliver a sermon. I own a bunch of GG albums as well as two of their DVDs.  I am a huge fan.  I don't see how Derek's vocals help though. At all.  Yes, one could get conditioned to and used to listening to his vocals in a GG context such that eventually you can't do without him but that's different.  You don't want to listen to him sing, idk, In The Bleak Midwinter or something.  He's no Justin Hayward or Richard Sinclair. 

HI,

No sermon needed. You did what many did not. Explain yourself and that is all I ask folks to do, so the comment does not come off as silly and stupid.

Sometimes, though, I think that a lot of Progressive Music is more about the voices involved than anything else ... I mean, if we look at many of the top folks in the list, almost none of them are "pure singers" ... at all ... they are very good at adjusting their feeling and expression to the music they created. AND, that's an art in and by itself ... !!!

Wow, that was an unexpected response.  Maybe for the first time we are getting through to each other.  

I understand your complaint but I think what you would want to see folks do is difficult to a degree not everyone may even be cognisant of.  I can talk in a structured manner about singing because I can sing.  Not an amazing singer or anything but I know how to do it well beyond off key karaoke night level (speaking of, what you said is generally true of great singers, they HAVE to adjust to the music they are a part of.  That is what artists do, as opposed to the athletes that get crowned the next big thing in reality TV shows year after year).  Back to the point:  likewise, someone who writes music may be able to discuss it in a way that comes across as logical and informed (and there have been a few of them on this board).  Someone who plays an instrument can discuss players of that instrument in a sensible way.  But what if you can't sing or play but have a deep love for the music?  Then maybe what you say may come off as too opinionated at times. I say that that can't be helped and is part of the discourse.  And unless somebody says something that is just flat out wrong and tries to impose that opinion, I don't call it out, it's alright.  Had a similar experience in a tennis forum where somebody was digging their heels in and then when I, who am a half decent amateur player, started taking that somebody up on their statements, they got very vague and evasive. 

So again, unless they go THERE with their opinions, I just don't bother about it.  It's just a discussion forum and most discussions aren't going to approach high art. But be thankful such forums survive.  Not many internet forums have withstood the social media onslaught and realistically I don't know how many will still be standing tall a decade from now.  Here's hoping to PA staying afloat ten years from now.
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He sounds a bit different to anyone else. (that's okay!)
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Originally posted by rogerthat rogerthat wrote:

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So again, unless they go THERE with their opinions, I just don't bother about it.  It's just a discussion forum and most discussions aren't going to approach high art.
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Hi,

With one exception ... the history of music is about those that reached the "high art" side of things, and many of them were not liked or appreciated and had to put up with lousy receptions and comments, I suppose we could say similar to here.

It always reminds me, of something in a movie that is STILL A MOVIE (as Dean stated), but it captures the whole idea that bothers me, and hurts the composers of the music ... it was when the King was asked what he thought and he didn't know ... but finally said ... "too many notes" ... 

We have a chance. So far, a lot of the stuff we love has lasted 50 years ... and we're close to nailing it down ... but we have to accept and start treating it with the respect it deserves. Too many of the goons (I'm thinking BBC in the 50's!!!) here is NOT willing to look at it as art, because they were born in a time when the arts (in America specially) has had its money removed from the schools by a president starting about 40 years ago ... and the reason why? Because the arts, naturally, are on the wrong side of the tracks and don't "follow" the rules!

I do my best. I was born into a house with 40K+ in Portuguese, Spanish and Brazilian Literature ... (you can see most of it Lisbon on display now!), and I can tell you that in all of that stuff at home, despite your sinus' getting dry in 2 minutes ... that not all of that paper and books is fit for toilet paper ... there are some fine works in the middle of all that ... and sometimes, seeing these comments, is such a disrespect to the art form itself ... but I'm not sure that these folks can spell out ... what is ART? 

I won't define it, but I can tell you exactly what is NOT art!

Originally posted by rogerthat rogerthat wrote:

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 But be thankful such forums survive.  Not many internet forums have withstood the social media onslaught and realistically I don't know how many will still be standing tall a decade from now.  Here's hoping to PA staying afloat ten years from now.

I am ... but after being here what ... many years, I still think that we need admins to help maintain a better appreciation about the music, than folks that have nothing better to do than really trash it when it comes to it, because their favorite metal band is not the one on top!

I think that if PA can stick around for 10 to 20 years more, that "progressive music" will start to be listed in many places ... and (hopefully) be better defined than just a blue guitar and yet another Fender, or organ out there!


Edited by moshkito - May 01 2020 at 07:51
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