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    Posted: April 28 2020 at 18:18
It seems there's a theme happening. I'm in quarantine, with not much better to do. So I might as well jump on this bandwagon. I had some friends who couldn't get into Gentle Giant, one of my favorite bands, because of Derek's voice, despite being initially intrigued by their music. Opinions away! (Personally, I don't have a problem with him. I can hear where they're coming from, and he isn't perfect, some songs are better than others.)
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote dougmcauliffe Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 28 2020 at 18:26
This isn't get annoying

I'll sum up the thread here, some will like it, some wont. Will it effect how much I enjoy the band? No.


Edited by dougmcauliffe - April 28 2020 at 18:27
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Awesoreno Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 28 2020 at 18:44
I guess a pertinent question is: how many have been warded off from the band specifically because of his vocals?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote AFlowerKingCrimson Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 28 2020 at 19:08
I've always felt that GG would have been a bit more popular if they had a different lead singer. The same thing with PG era Genesis.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote twosteves Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 28 2020 at 20:04
I like all the singers in GG---and I think they are an amazing band--but only a fan of a few select albums.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote foregonillusions Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 28 2020 at 20:38
Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

I've always felt that GG would have been a bit more popular if they had a different lead singer. The same thing with PG era Genesis.

One of my dreams is to wake up and realize that I now like Gabriel's voice so that I can finally enjoy Genesis' awesome music.
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Love his voice.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote someone_else Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 29 2020 at 00:32
Nothing wrong with it, but I usually prefer Kerry Minnear's vocals (though Derek's fit many GG songs better and they knew well enough who should sing which).
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Frenetic Zetetic Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 29 2020 at 00:52
Derek rocks. Guy's range is fantastic. His tone and note selection are great. I can understand if he's a tad sterile for some, but for prog rock? GG is perfection!

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote friso Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 29 2020 at 01:56
Great singer, but somehow I can't appreciate his vocals on the 'In a Glass House' album.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Spacegod87 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 29 2020 at 02:49
I've always liked it. He's not good in a conventional way, but I think that's what I like about his voice tbh.
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Bloody hell - he's one of the best vocalists around!
All members of GG can sing.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Frenetic Zetetic Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 29 2020 at 03:05
His ability to "shift" into different levels of vocal intensity, on the same phrase, and even sometimes in the same note that he's holding, is incredible.

I Lost My Head is secretly one of the best GG tracks. Their golden era swansong track for me!

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote irrelevant Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 29 2020 at 03:41
Much like Gary Green's guitar; had just enough of the nitty gritty to keep Gentle Giant from floating away. My favourite of the GG vocalists. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Blacksword Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 29 2020 at 04:42
Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

I've always felt that GG would have been a bit more popular if they had a different lead singer. The same thing with PG era Genesis.


I don't think Gabriel's voice was an impairment to the bands success at the time. They were still on the ascendancy when he decided to quit. They had released 7 albums, including FGTR and the live album, and in the UK, three had made the top 10 in the album charts, and Foxtrot just sat outside at number 12. SEBTP made it to number 3. On the Lamb Tour the band played what is now Wembley arena. By 1975 they were pretty successful, and much of that was down to Gabriel. They were also doing quite reasonable business across Europe. The US was the challenge, and they needed a change in direction to really break that market. That obviously came later.

As for GG, I'm not a huge fan of the vocals, but they weren't bad and I don't think they had much bearing on the bands success or otherwise. The reason they weren't more successful is because their music was too quirky and inaccessible.
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He fits the music perfectly. I think he also harmonises well with Phil, Ray and Kerry well, though I prefer the softer voice of Kerry, who doesn’t get to sing too often. GG are up there with the best.
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Originally posted by Tom Ozric Tom Ozric wrote:

He fits the music perfectly.
Yeah; hard to imagine a great, billowing, leather-trousered voice a la Greg Lake or John Wetton fitting into those curiously-worked GG tunes...though the results would certainly be worth a laugh.
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Originally posted by Mascodagama Mascodagama wrote:

Originally posted by Tom Ozric Tom Ozric wrote:

He fits the music perfectly.
Yeah; hard to imagine a great, billowing, leather-trousered voice a la Greg Lake or John Wetton fitting into those curiously-worked GG tunes...though the results would certainly be worth a laugh.
Lol !! Never thought of that. I can just see it - Lake singing Proclamation....

Edited by Tom Ozric - April 30 2020 at 03:20
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote moshkito Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 29 2020 at 07:37
Originally posted by Awesoreno Awesoreno wrote:

I guess a pertinent question is: how many have been warded off from the band specifically because of his vocals?

Hi,

I can tell you that at the time the stuff came out and it was being played in the LA area, that there were no problems with the voice ... but somehow 45 years later, all you can think is that the voice is this or that ... DO YOU REALLY THINK THAT IT WOULD LAST THAT LONG IF IT WEREN'T GOOD? Have you any idea how many folks have loved these vocals and the harmonies not to mention the music?

This line of questioning needs to be dumped by the administrators ... I see this as an attempt to mess up with people's minds in the board.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Grumpyprogfan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 29 2020 at 08:04
Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

This line of questioning needs to be dumped by the administrators ... I see this as an attempt to mess up with people's minds into the board.
I see nothing wrong with this or any question here. The administrators should leave it be. Several posts on the "Have any famous proggers ever stopped by PA" thread, were deleted. Don't know why.



Edited by Grumpyprogfan - April 29 2020 at 08:09
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