Learning To Fly: pop song or not?

Why do think it is a pop song?

Catcher10 wrote: Why do think it is a pop song? It's a Pink Floyd song.....it's not pop music.

Many dweebs in PE think so. But that's PE for ya.

By the way, I haven't visited PE much, but as there are, reportedly, many boring, studious and socially inept people there (i.e. dweebs), I might fit in. I'm not that studious, but the rest fits. Really, as long as they are the kinds of people who try to present arguments for their positions instead of resorting to lazy ad hominems, then I might like the place. Perhaps they may do both, thus the social ineptitude (resorting to insulting language seems socially inept to me) mixed with studiousness.

I really do wish more people would try to present their cases instead of resorting to insulting language (often that's done by people who can't or won't present compelling arguments). I don't know who these PE people are, but I don't like seeing them being referred to with derogatory language here.

We have a rule at this forum, "No Personal attacks (flaming or trolling). Keep it civil, show respect at all times for your fellow members. Disagreement, debate, even "heated" discussion is fine... However, personally directed insults, denigration, etc. will not be tolerated... This applies equally to forum posts AND private messages. "Group-directed" insults and denigration (e.g., racism, sexism, ageism, etc.) also fall under this category... Any member who engages in continuous baiting, borderline insults, or other continuously "aggressive" behaviour will be warned." This basic courtesy should also extend to people outside this site, and PE has various shared members with this site. We've had issues with people using this forum to insult PE membership before and have said that that's not acceptable. If people have an issue with them, talk to them directly or bring it up with the managers of that site instead of bringing it up here.

Edited by Logan - May 21 2020 at 11:01

Catcher10 wrote: Why do think it is a pop song? It's a Pink Floyd song.....it's not pop music.

Edited by Scorpius - May 21 2020 at 12:01

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Edited by verslibre - May 21 2020 at 12:16

Scorpius wrote: Catcher10 wrote: Why do think it is a pop song? It's a Pink Floyd song.....it's not pop music. I'm sorry, but how does it being a Pink Floyd song immediately translate to it not being pop music? I would make the argument that after Waters left, the band now still referring to themselves as Pink Floyd but lacking the main songwriting force behind the band needed to make a record that would do something different yet similar enough so the old fans would still enjoy it and not call it a rip-off but something new enough to bring in new listeners. The result is a pop/arena rock album/mess and just because the musicians on it are prog musicians does not make it anything more than a pop rock song. Ever heard of Asia? As a matter of fact, why stop at Learning to Fly? That whole album is pop music save for maybe Sorrow. MLOR was made to be poppy, and there is nothing inherently wrong with that but I'm honestly just surprised to see more votes going to "not pop" as that just doesn't make any sense.   edit - not to mention Pink Floyd is consistently referred to as "pop/rock", and had been since even the Syd era, so I'm not sure why that would change when discussing their most pop record.

 

Catcher10 wrote: Why do think it is a pop song? It's a Pink Floyd song.....it's not pop music.

Pop in prog is a blessing, not a curse.

Scorpius wrote: Catcher10 wrote: Why do think it is a pop song? It's a Pink Floyd song.....it's not pop music. I'm sorry, but how does it being a Pink Floyd song immediately translate to it not being pop music? I would make the argument that after Waters left, the band now still referring to themselves as Pink Floyd but lacking the main songwriting force behind the band needed to make a record that would do something different yet similar enough so the old fans would still enjoy it and not call it a rip-off but something new enough to bring in new listeners. The result is a pop/arena rock album/mess and just because the musicians on it are prog musicians does not make it anything more than a pop rock song. Ever heard of Asia? As a matter of fact, why stop at Learning to Fly? That whole album is pop music save for maybe Sorrow. MLOR was made to be poppy, and there is nothing inherently wrong with that but I'm honestly just surprised to see more votes going to "not pop" as that just doesn't make any sense.   edit - not to mention Pink Floyd is consistently referred to as "pop/rock", and had been since even the Syd era, so I'm not sure why that would change when discussing their most pop record.

It’s Pink Floyd music. Pink Floyd (O.K. - Gilmour) being creative AND accessible deep into the 80’s. It may be classed as ‘Classic Rock’, but I wouldn’t call it ‘Pop’.