Last great albums before the great simplification |
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verslibre
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U.K. was a band! Especially the trio!
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Of Queues And Cures and Western Culture are both amazing albums, but with the way the poll question is worded it seems like my vote should be going to the one that came out later? I don't know in which month of 1978 Western Culture was released (Wikipedia says it was actually released in 1979 but I'm pretty sure that's inaccurate as both Discogs and the liner notes on my CD copy contradict that), but since Of Queues And Cures was released in either late November or early December of '78 I guess it's statistically more likely that it came out later?...
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Yeah it was a bummer what began to happen, and then an even worse dumb-down in the '80s when aberrations like Grace Under Pressure were considered "progressive rock". Some progressive forms survived and thrived like Electronic and small pockets of Fusion, but it was some cold freakin' water in those dark days. Last great prog album? I'd say Drama . Edited by Atavachron - May 22 2020 at 14:32 |
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Me too. ATTOT is my favorite then W&W then SEBTP although to be honest I might prefer SE to W&W(it's almost a toss up). I probably like the post Hackett stuff more than most prog fans do also(but still probably not more than the PG era).
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Going for the Yes . .
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None of these.
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The brilliant first UK album from 1978 with Wetton, Bruford, Holdsworth and Jobson represented for me, the last remnants of the original Prog impetus pushing forward into a rapidly changing musical landscape and marketplace at the tail end of the 70's. Sadly, it never delivered on that promise despite a decent follow up in Danger Money and thereafter things morphed/mutated into the corporate behemoth a.k.a. Asia. Just as an aside, I find the conflation of simple with bad rather tiresome. Lou Reed couldn't have written Close to the Edge for the same reason Rick Wakeman couldn't have written Venus in Furs: They require a completely different type of talent neither of which is the lesser.
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Atavachron
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Good call. |
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From this list I picked "Red" because I love it
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Rick1
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I had considered that album (as others have), but I didn't want to create too many choices that would dissipate the poll. Ah, it is not a conflation of simple with 'bad' - how about commercialisation to offset changing social attitudes towards music?
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No. Not a fan of King Crimson. |
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Rick1
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As the poll has now 'peaked' some reflections:
1. My interpretation of simplify was to commercialise in line with popular musical culture in the late 70s 2. UK's first album should have been included (I did think about it but at the time, it's impact was limited although I had a massive poster of it) 3. In 1977, two bands arguably continued to transcend the genre: ELP and Yes (Genesis exited the genre - more or less - with Hackett's departure - another moot point) 4. Henry Cow's 'Western Culture' (possibly along with 'Softs') did not compromise at all (note that by then they had been abandoned by their record label, Virgin, in 1977 and their last album was released independently) 5. The timeline is not neat and tidy - the dissolution of King Crimson in 74 presaged what was to come over the next few years. Someone mentioned 'Drama' but for me the release of 'Western Culture' in 1979 closed the era - possibly along with Hackett's 'Spectral Mornings' (by then, a solo artist so outside this poll...)
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I'm Going for the One and Only, Yes.
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I also chose Red , 'cause..well I like the damn thing.
I also like Nat Health, Yes, ,,,,etc
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interesting topic.. even more interesting choices. Truth is many of those had great albums after the choices. That change if one wants to call it.. didn't stop them from making great albums ie KC, Yes, Magma, even Genesis
so going back to one of my many unpopular opinions.. Soft Machine III... never was the same.. or as good afterward. Just became yet another generic meandering fusion band which plagued the mid to late 70's...
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I would suggest That Tull's Songs from the Wood (1977) and Heavy Horses (1978) surpassed what ELP (Works and Love Beach) and Yes (Going for the One and Tormato) did in the same time-frame. Your list is incomplete and doesn't do justice to the era.
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On a big Henry Cow kick right now, so went with Western Culture, but a number of these are good contenders.
UK certainly belongs here. |
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When considering transcending the genre, during this period I still contend that both ELP and Yes continued to do so (ELP had a UK hit written by a modern classical composer with a modal jazz solo in it...) I repeat, I am a huge Tull fan but never considered them prog; rather a sophisticated rock band and those albums were brilliant (and yes, surpassed both Tormato and Love Beach if you want to throw those albums into the mix). I also mentioned that over-populated polls tend to get dissipated - apologies if my little conversation starter appears to lack the substance you crave. |
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I'm not sure about the Tull surpassing what ELP and Yes did is entirely correct (although it is an opinion). The problem is that Tull didn't change a thing during that period and that can be seen as both positive and negative. ELP took a massive risk with Works Vol One and it didn't pay off but at least they tried before attempting (and failing again) to get back in the good books of the president of Atlantic Records with Love Beach. Tull didn't change anything from Songs From The Wood to Stormwatch but at least those albums are listenable, but then why bother when you have Aqualung or TAAB to listen to instead!
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I am wondering how anyone would think Yes or ELP were "transcendent" in 1977 and 1978; if anything, the opposite would be the case. Yes actually devolved from the progressivity of Tales From Topographic Oceans and Relayer to a more stripped down commercial sound on Going for the One. Nothing incredibly "transcendent" there -- it was more, "hey, we have to sell more albums". As far as ELP, there is nothing incredibly progressive or "transcendent" about going back to the old well and rehashing an Aaron Copeland composition. Even the name of the album "Works" is as bloated and pretentious as a double album that would have served the band better edited down to a single record -- but one can't edit egos, it would seem. As far as Songs from the Wood, again, I am wondering how one wouldn't consider it "progressive" or "transcendent", when you consider that Tull married classical music and English folkloric motifs and made a thoroughly progressive British folk rock album -- a defining moment for the movement itself -- going beyond the folk electrification of previous efforts by Fairport Convention and Steeleye Span. And classical motifs run through out the album as much as folk -- the antithesis of the "simplification" your poll allegedly sought. At least one song on the album leaves the rock genre altogether.... |
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