Has a Prog album ever won a Grammy?

Prog Artists Who have Won A Grammy (Updated List):

AFlowerKingCrimson wrote: Catcher10 wrote: miamiscot wrote: Prog Artists Who Have Won A Grammy: Yes Genesis Peter Gabriel Pink Floyd  Chicago Jethro Tull Tool Mastodon Muse Radiohead David Bowie Chicago on this list? Why not? Anyone on this website is fairgame. I guess that means Steely Dan never won a grammy.

Two Against Nature won three in 2001 and Aja got a Hall of Fame award in 2005.

Edited by Mascodagama - July 26 2020 at 09:54

I know that Voivod won a Juno award for best metal album... when I found out they won I was so excited I spun them all day

SteveG wrote: ^ Interesting. I wonder if any punk bands have won a Grammy?

M27Barney wrote: How the fook does anybody on this site know the difference betwixt Taylor Swift, Dolly Parton and Shenia godawful Twain? It all would sound the same to me...pointless romantic dross from the sewage farm of brainless twoddle....

In some places I’ve been, there were 2 types of music available ... country and western. And, there were 2 speeds on the John Deere ... slow and slower. It seems lost on some, though, on just how much country artists like Chet Atkins and Les Paul influenced people like Steve Howe. You can clearly hear those influences in many early Yes albums. You may not appreciate it, but the fact remains - if there had been no country music, there would have been no Prog. https://youtu.be/LZz9UFqNPxk

Edited by Jaketejas - June 06 2020 at 14:28

rogerthat wrote: Mascodagama wrote:   Well, one doesn't have to be judging e.g. Asia against the context of early 70's prog to find it wanting. I judge the first Asia album in the context of the mainstream rock and pop that was coming out at the same time, because that to my mind is what it basically is. In that light it comes across to me personally as a stale and tired assemblage of musical and lyrical clichés. The fact that some of the clichés are drawn from the prog idiom isn't really the basic problem, which to my mind is a lack of fresh ideas and approaches. Yeah, and like I said, it's not that there was no 'gateway prog' in the 80s either.  Rush's albums are as accessible as Asia's but they remain progressive in the way they explore different musical ideas where Asia at best comes across as a somewhat sophisticated way of writing AOR. The first Iron Maiden album or Seventh Son later on would probably serve the purpose of introducing someone to 'progressive' ideas equally well or better than Asia, likewise Metallica from RTL to AJFA.  And you could then introduce such a person to Marillion's Script for A Jester's Tears to give them an idea of what Genesis updated for the 80s would sound like.

I love your point about Iron Maiden as possibly being Gateway Prog for Prog Metal. They were a tremendous influence, especially in my current locality, which has a heavy metal fan base tradition.   However, I wouldn’t compare Asia, which is more Prog Pop Rock with Rush, which was more Prog Hard Rock at the time (although they changed their sound somewhat by album grouping, which either was embraced by the fans, or riled them up). I might compare Asia with Saga, for example.

Grammys, Oscars, Golden Bears, Silver Scissors etc etc interest me about as much as tiny chihuahua outfits and chimney soot.
Uninteresting prizes awarded to uninteresting “artists” by equally uninteresting personas...of course judged and heralded by uninteresting crowds of people without any form of flavour to them.

But yeah...always nice to get nominated!

Jaketejas wrote: AFlowerKingCrimson wrote: ^Maybe for those who got into prog a bit later but in the 70's ELP, Yes and PF in particular were about as big as anyone else at the time. Genesis didn't become very big until later when they become more poppy but they were a gateway for some too(even when they were still prog). Precisely my point. The early bands established the core Prog sound. Then, generally speaking, Prog became more incorporated into the radio friendly shorter rock and pop format to varying degrees, which defined late 70s, early 80s Prog. Afterwards, there was a shift to a heavier sound throughout the mid to late 80s and beyond. Obviously, there are exceptions. I think each period has its merits, but that bands should be categorized in accordance with their historical timeframe. It is true with other genres as well. Taylor Swift is different from Shania Twain, who is different from Dolly Parton. Does the Country crowd keep Dolly and throw out the others for incorporating too many pop/rock elements. No. One appreciates and compares within the artists’ timeframe. I don’t see the appropriateness of rating Asia with the same criteria as early Yes, claiming that early Yes is one value (obviously on a high pedestal here) while Asia has some dopey low rating. I honestly don’t get it. I appreciate each version of Prog within its respective timeframe, as well as those versions that don’t quite fit the mold. I wear different hats, so to speak, when I am listening to different sub genres within different historical contexts. Not everything has to be compared to Close to the Edge. Good grief!

Well, one doesn't have to be judging e.g. Asia against the context of early 70's prog to find it wanting. I judge the first Asia album in the context of the mainstream rock and pop that was coming out at the same time, because that to my mind is what it basically is. In that light it comes across to me personally as a stale and tired assemblage of musical and lyrical clichés. The fact that some of the clichés are drawn from the prog idiom isn't really the basic problem, which to my mind is a lack of fresh ideas and approaches.

Edited by Mascodagama - June 06 2020 at 02:06

^Maybe for those who got into prog a bit later but in the 70's ELP, Yes and PF in particular were about as big as anyone else at the time. Genesis didn't become very big until later when they become more poppy but they were a gateway for some too(even when they were still prog).

That is why I prefer my above outlined approach. The further away from the trunk you go, the less Prog character is involved. Saying that Asia is or is not Prog lacks descriptive precision. If one could assess the numbers for different Prog characteristics keeping in mind the sensibilities of the timeframe (obviously the 80s were on a different swing of the pendulum than the 70s), then a listener might be able to more accurately assess the different proggy characteristics with better objectivity. And, they could link to relevant bands, whether PA characterizes them as Prog or not. Some suggest this be done on a song by song basis as well, but I’m not going there. I do see the point, though, because even the number one album for 80s-90s has some songs that are highly progressive (YYZ) and some that are much less so (or not, by the PA binary approach). I take your point, and I agree that there is a problem.

A Prog by degrees approach enables me, the listener, to bridge 80s KC with Talking Heads without throwing the baby (progginess) out with the bath water. KC would be closer to the trunk than Talking Heads, but the branch would be there so I have a richer musical experience. Saying Talking Heads is not Prog at all undermines the truth. They have some Prog character, but aren’t in the trunk. Their numbers for progginess would be lower than KC, but they’d be relevant.

Edited by Jaketejas - June 03 2020 at 12:56