Rush vs KC: Which is responsible for prog metal? - Progressive Rock Music Forum

None of them. I think like Deep Purple or Uriah Heep created what is know these days as prog metal.

neither. look no further than this:

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FatherChristmas wrote:

Well well, it's happened again. People always post this sort of thing when I try to stick to the big bands. From now, I shall move away from the tide of commerce... and explore the eternal depths of the unknown......

Though I'm not sure it's a forerunner of prog-metal, High Tide's Sea Shanties is a wonderful album that deserves any prog fan's attention. It is not, however, as obscure as many other cult prog albums. The band's violinist, Simon House, was a member of Hawkwind from 1974 to 1978, and after that he played in David Bowie's band for a few years. He also played on one of my favourite albums, Japan's marvellous Tin Drum.

If we start naming older bands especially oddball ones we might as well go back to Blue Cheer.....since High Tide is basically a stranger Brit version of them....at least to my ears.

And the OP clearly said Rush or KC...didn't see an other box.

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FatherChristmas wrote:

Well well, it's happened again. People always post this sort of thing when I try to stick to the big bands. From now, I shall move away from the tide of commerce... and explore the eternal depths of the unknown......

It's been like that for years and years,the know it all's, you know.

Question.Which day you like better of Friday or Saturday.?

Answer. Sunday.

Shake & bake.

yeah.. neither... neither remotely metal...

it starts with being metal... which disqualifies the options.. popular bands more often name checked than anything ...and the usual suggestions like High Tide... which were heavy.. that is not the same as metal.

and if it an't them.. who was it that inspired it.. IMO that is mid 70's Judas Priest.. not heavy prog... not metal with occasional progish side detours.. but full blown prog metal as it would become recognized decade and more later.

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The way I see it, mid-80s is the starting point for Watchtower, Fates Warning, Queensryche, and then it just takes a while till we get "technical/progressive" metal bands, depending on your criteria, i.e. Coroner, Toxik, Mekong Delta, Realm, maybe Obliveon... only later Death, Meshuggah, Dream Theater and co. join the scene, but it was after Fall of Thrash Metal, say 1990/91 ish.

So I think some of these guys liked KC and Rush, but it's more likely they were big fans of Zep, Sabbath, Purple in the first place; then branching out to Judas Priest, Saxon, Venom or Mercyful Fate... it's pretty much the same story again and again for these bands. I see "progressive metal" as another genre of metal really, not prog rock offspring. And it's perfectly fine. Of course the most seasoned guys are prog rock afficionados too (Swano, Akerfeldt, Townsend etc.) so they definitely took something from KC and Rush.

Rush sound is more akin to prog metal maybe, with Lifeson's palette of colorful chords, tight rhythm section, hard riffs and honestly very straight, no-nonsense approach in most of their songs. KC did that and dozen other things, as you know it.

Speaking of Realm and early tech/prog stuff...

gr8dane wrote:

FatherChristmas wrote:

Well well, it's happened again. People always post this sort of thing when I try to stick to the big bands. From now, I shall move away from the tide of commerce... and explore the eternal depths of the unknown......

It's been like that for years and years,the know it all's, you know.

Question.Which day you like better of Friday or Saturday.?

Answer. Sunday.

the question obviously implied that one of these albums is responsible for prog metal. this is in my opinion not the case. however, the mere answer "neither" is somewhat unsatisfactory. so what else is there to do but offer an alternative?

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verslibre wrote:

micky wrote:

IMO that is mid 70's Judas Priest.. not heavy prog... not metal with occasional progish side detours.. but full blown prog metal as it would become recognized decade and more later.

Mick, if you really think Priest was making progressive metal in the mid(!!!)-Seventies, at least post the clip or drop the link!

Because nobody's going to believe you. (I know I don't!) LOL

I rarely agree with Micky (musically), but he has a point there:

the exact distinction between "heavy prog" and "prog metal" has always escaped me, to be honest. my surmise would be the sound of the bass guitar and the electric guitar. prog metal's bass guitar often sounds somewhat metallic (it actually leaves an unpleasant metallic taste in my mouth, by the way; a case of synesthesia. I often experience tastes when listening to music, but since to most people it wouldn't make much sense to say "Rush taste like spinach" I usually refrain from it). the electric guitar is remarkably often played without distortion. but these differences are pretty vague, so I am by no means certain about them

Edited by BaldJean - August 03 2020 at 02:12

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yes? chard instead of spinach?

Edited by BaldJean - August 03 2020 at 08:09

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Poll Question: Which is responsible for prog metal?
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