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    Posted: September 09 2020 at 18:41
Sometimes I get accused of having bands who sound nothing like each other and shouldn't go up against each other. Hopefully that won't be the case here especially since there is a connection. 

Anyway, which band do you prefer? Being that these are both relatively lesser known bands I added more options than I usually do(which is saying something). 


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BJH is hardly lesser known, though they are definitely frequently mocked and unappreciated here.  Enid leaves me cold, while BJH was one of the first serious bands I got into in the mid 70s
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Originally posted by kenethlevine kenethlevine wrote:

BJH is hardly lesser known, though they are definitely frequently mocked and unappreciated here.  Enid leaves me cold, while BJH was one of the first serious bands I got into in the mid 70s

Compared to the usual suspects as well as Gentle Giant, Focus, Renaissance, Nektar, Camel, VDGG, Magma, etc they are. I would put them just below Strawbs and Eloy in popularity.
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Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Originally posted by kenethlevine kenethlevine wrote:

BJH is hardly lesser known, though they are definitely frequently mocked and unappreciated here.  Enid leaves me cold, while BJH was one of the first serious bands I got into in the mid 70s

Compared to the usual suspects as well as Gentle Giant, Focus, Renaissance, Nektar, Camel, VDGG, Magma, etc they are. I would put them just below Strawbs and Eloy in popularity.

BJH never made much of a dent in the US but had a fair bit of UK success and absolutely MASSIVE success in Germany for some reason.  The album "Gone to Earth" was on the German charts for literally years.  Internationally overall they are better known than Strawbs, but Strawbs had more North American success (similar to Gentle Giant as I mentioned) and much more Canadian success, though obviously that's a relatively small market.   It's hard for me to gauge Eloy's success, but it was considerable in Germany, with several chart albums, and a variety of other countries, minimal in NA.   Anyway thanks for including BJH in a poll!  The first song that I heard by them was "Child on the Universe" in the radio in about 1975.  I always wondered if Supertramp's "Crime of the Century" (the song) was influenced by that BJH track, but I think they came out at about the same time.  To me there are some similarities


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Originally posted by kenethlevine kenethlevine wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Originally posted by kenethlevine kenethlevine wrote:

BJH is hardly lesser known, though they are definitely frequently mocked and unappreciated here.  Enid leaves me cold, while BJH was one of the first serious bands I got into in the mid 70s

Compared to the usual suspects as well as Gentle Giant, Focus, Renaissance, Nektar, Camel, VDGG, Magma, etc they are. I would put them just below Strawbs and Eloy in popularity.

BJH never made much of a dent in the US but had a fair bit of UK success and absolutely MASSIVE success in Germany for some reason.  The album "Gone to Earth" was on the German charts for literally years.  Internationally overall they are better known than Strawbs, but Strawbs had more North American success (similar to Gentle Giant as I mentioned) and much more Canadian success, though obviously that's a relatively small market.   It's hard for me to gauge Eloy's success, but it was considerable in Germany, with several chart albums, and a variety of other countries, minimal in NA.   Anyway thanks for including BJH in a poll!  The first song that I heard by them was "Child on the Universe" in the radio in about 1975.  I always wondered if Supertramp's "Crime of the Century" (the song) was influenced by that BJH track, but I think they came out at about the same time.  To me there are some similarities

Yes, they were pretty huge in Germany at one point(as was Eloy) and probably other parts of Europe too. I suppose I'm judging them from a US perspective as far as over all popularity goes but also based on what I see and how often they are mentioned and rated in prog circles after spending much time online on prog related sites. I'm not saying they weren't important just that they don't even seem to pop up that much when second tier bands are listed. Also, not that it means much but I've never heard them on the radio not even college or independent radio. Maybe once or twice on deep tracks on satellite radio but that's about it. I still maintain that they are relatively lesser known with the key word being relatively. Again, compared to other prog bands mentioned on here(such as those that would make the big ten) is what I meant by that.


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Probably BJH. I always loved them. They wrote some great things. They were very popular in Portugal at the time. They deserve to be better known.
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I'be not heard much BJH, but based on what I have heard I prefer The Enid.
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Originally posted by kenethlevine kenethlevine wrote:

It's hard for me to gauge Eloy's success, but it was considerable in Germany, with several chart albums, and a variety of other countries, minimal in NA.

I'm fairly certain Eloy was Germany's #1 rock band at some point during the '70s. I think they even beat the Scorpions in album sales one year.
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Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by kenethlevine kenethlevine wrote:

It's hard for me to gauge Eloy's success, but it was considerable in Germany, with several chart albums, and a variety of other countries, minimal in NA.

I'm fairly certain Eloy was Germany's #1 rock band at some point during the '70s. I think they even beat the Scorpions in album sales one year.

In the early 80's too. 

I remember I had a friend who had a housemate who was in the military and stationed in Germany at one point. This was an american guy. I remember seeing his cassette tapes and they were all the typical usual well known rock stuff except for one and that was Eloy. None of the othe stuff was prog either. I think that right there says something. 


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Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by kenethlevine kenethlevine wrote:

It's hard for me to gauge Eloy's success, but it was considerable in Germany, with several chart albums, and a variety of other countries, minimal in NA.

I'm fairly certain Eloy was Germany's #1 rock band at some point during the '70s. I think they even beat the Scorpions in album sales one year.

In the early 80's too. 

I remember I had a friend who had a housemate who was in the military and stationed in Germany at one point. This was an american guy. I remember seeing his cassette tapes and they were all the typical usual well known rock stuff except for one and that was Eloy. None of the othe stuff was prog either. I think that right there says something. 

according to the German charts, the biggest Eloy album was "Silent Cries and Mighty Echoes".  "Colours" and "Time to Turn" were also big, so most of their chart success was actually in the 1980s.  Perhaps "Ocean" was the one that helped the group hit the bigtime though
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Originally posted by kenethlevine kenethlevine wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by kenethlevine kenethlevine wrote:

It's hard for me to gauge Eloy's success, but it was considerable in Germany, with several chart albums, and a variety of other countries, minimal in NA.

I'm fairly certain Eloy was Germany's #1 rock band at some point during the '70s. I think they even beat the Scorpions in album sales one year.

In the early 80's too. 

I remember I had a friend who had a housemate who was in the military and stationed in Germany at one point. This was an american guy. I remember seeing his cassette tapes and they were all the typical usual well known rock stuff except for one and that was Eloy. None of the othe stuff was prog either. I think that right there says something. 

according to the German charts, the biggest Eloy album was "Silent Cries and Mighty Echoes".  "Colours" and "Time to Turn" were also big, so most of their chart success was actually in the 1980s.  Perhaps "Ocean" was the one that helped the group hit the bigtime though

Interesting. I thought "Planets" was their biggest album. As a prog fan I don't equate commercial success with quality and I hope you don't either. ;)

Also, could you post a link to these charts you speak of. I would like to see it for myself.


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Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Originally posted by kenethlevine kenethlevine wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by kenethlevine kenethlevine wrote:

It's hard for me to gauge Eloy's success, but it was considerable in Germany, with several chart albums, and a variety of other countries, minimal in NA.

I'm fairly certain Eloy was Germany's #1 rock band at some point during the '70s. I think they even beat the Scorpions in album sales one year.

In the early 80's too. 

I remember I had a friend who had a housemate who was in the military and stationed in Germany at one point. This was an american guy. I remember seeing his cassette tapes and they were all the typical usual well known rock stuff except for one and that was Eloy. None of the othe stuff was prog either. I think that right there says something. 

according to the German charts, the biggest Eloy album was "Silent Cries and Mighty Echoes".  "Colours" and "Time to Turn" were also big, so most of their chart success was actually in the 1980s.  Perhaps "Ocean" was the one that helped the group hit the bigtime though

Interesting. I thought "Planets" was their biggest album. As a prog fan I don't equate commercial success with quality and I hope you don't either. ;)

Also, could you post a link to these charts you speak of. I would like to see it for myself.

agreed, except when I love an album and it was commercially successful...this is so rare that I always point it out.  LOL Strangely enough, with Colours and Time to Turn both charting for some time, it's hard to undertsand how Planets didn't chart being as it was in between them, but it could be that it sold reasonably well over a long period.  

I'm not sure this link will show the Eloy albums but it lets you do a search.  I also copied and pasted the results up to Time to Turn.  After that album most of their albums charted only briefly.  Silent Cries hit the highest spot while Colours was in the chart for the longest.  It's clear that Ocean was their breakthrough.  

https://www.offiziellecharts.de/suche

9EloyTime to turn05/17/1982Weeks: 10 Peak: 38
10EloyColors06/30/1980Weeks: 17 Peak: 28
11EloySilent Cries And Mighty Echoes02/26/1979Weeks: 14 Peak: 17
12Eloylive08/01/1978Weeks: 1 peak: 35
13EloyOcean02/01/1978Weeks: 7 Peak: 28
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I can't say that I am super familiar with either band, but I have heard a number of albums from both.  My vote goes for the Poor Man's Moody Blues.   I'm really not sure why they weren't bigger here in the US.

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Originally posted by rushfan4 rushfan4 wrote:

I can't say that I am super familiar with either band, but I have heard a number of albums from both.  My vote goes for the Poor Man's Moody Blues.   I'm really not sure why they weren't bigger here in the US.

The American rock press was quite open about their disdain for melodically oriented British rock, almost like they didn't understand it.    If an American group had done what BJH did they would havce been hailed as brilliant by the same press, though.  This negative bias certainly didn't help the cause of BJH
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