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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote dr wu23 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 24 2020 at 08:43
I'm on the same page as Disaster and Christmas above in that being such an iconic band it's natural it would get a little overrated and the same appiles for many classic lp's by other iconic bands. 
I heard it in June of '67 (age 16) and didn't know what to make of it at first....it sounded like the Beatles..but...?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Rednight Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 24 2020 at 10:27
...it was the Beatles, setting the stage like they always did.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote chopper Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 24 2020 at 13:22
Let's not forget that Sgt. Pepper was released less than 4 years after "I Want To Hold Your Hand". Some bands don't make any albums in that time let alone progress that much.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote uduwudu Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 02 2020 at 07:23
Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Let's not forget that Sgt. Pepper was released less than 4 years after "I Want To Hold Your Hand". Some bands don't make any albums in that time let alone progress that much.


Having shed loads of money Abbey Road Studios and the brains inside there is not something that happens to anyone.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Rednight Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 02 2020 at 08:46
^Incomprehensible. Explain.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote chopper Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 02 2020 at 08:59
Originally posted by Rednight Rednight wrote:

^Incomprehensible. Explain.
 
He means a lot of the genius in Sgt Pepper is due to them having the cash and the freedom of Abbey Road studios and its techies (at least I think that's what he means).
 
Which is true to a point but they had to get to that position in the first place.
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I donīt think that is over rated, but in comparison for the same year is not one of my choices, i Prefer Revolver instead.
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Too many overdubs? Yep!!
Great Production? Absolutely!!
Songs out of the context? Maybe but if the idea was a concept album, itīs on the middle of the road!

Good album but not THE ALBUM!
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Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Originally posted by Rednight Rednight wrote:

^Incomprehensible. Explain.
 
He means a lot of the genius in Sgt Pepper is due to them having the cash and the freedom of Abbey Road studios and its techies (at least I think that's what he means).
 
Which is true to a point but they had to get to that position in the first place.


That is exactly what he means. The clout of being a novel teen sensation.

To me the real impact of Sgt Pepper has not really been examined. In between the title track and reprise is a holiday camp representation. But the power of A Day In The Life, bleak, beautiful after all the light weight fun is where the real impact lies. A dire of real life in the real world depiction the real world outside of the purposely escapist fun.

But yes I do mean having someone who can direct sophisticated harmony to his subjects worked very well. Placing an act with a suitable producer worked wonders.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Ronstein Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 16 2020 at 04:53
I think it has to be viewed from the perspective of where it was in time. It was a response to Brian Wilson creating Pet Sounds the year before, which completely tore up the rule book and the Beatles were fortunate enough to have the funds and the support from EMI to use it to inspire what was. at the time, unlike anything that had been before. To stand it up alongside more modern music makes no sense to me, as you're comparing it with music that was influenced by the innovations that Lennon/McCartney and Brian Wilson (and others of that generation) made. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote moshkito Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 16 2020 at 08:59
Originally posted by uduwudu uduwudu wrote:

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But yes I do mean having someone who can direct sophisticated harmony to his subjects worked very well. Placing an act with a suitable producer worked wonders.

Hi,

George Martin had been with them since HELP ... and GM was very well known in England already, and even done a lot of comedy (for Peter Sellers and Spike Milligan), which was appreciated and loved by the Fab Four. And he was a great choice, because he ended up working with kids that actually like to explore and play music, rather than the street choice to just do the riff and sing over it, continuously! He explains that in his special!

Sgt Pepper was a wonderful "multi media" thing (that is with sound effects mixed in and different things done), because the producer was innovative and liked the ideas he was hearing from the guys ... and he incorporated a lot of them, which ended up giving us a few songs that were very different and made the band sound better and stronger ... which they had become anyway! But it likely would not have happened as well if the producer was some idiot a$h-hole that wanted to do Rock'n'roll ... so the choice of a GM was designed to improve things and the group did not seem to mind ... 

Plz watch the incredibly nice special on GM ... and how he did what he did, not only with the Beatles, but with more artists than you and I will EVER be able to list in our hands! It will help make better sense of what the Beatles did!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote chopper Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 16 2020 at 09:08
Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:


George Martin had been with them since HELP

George Martin was with them from the start - he was the one who signed them to Parlaphone, and also the one who told them not to use Ringo on "Love Me Do".
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Rednight Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 16 2020 at 12:04
Originally posted by Ronstein Ronstein wrote:

"...and the Beatles were fortunate enough to have the funds and the support from EMI to use it to inspire what was. at the time, unlike anything that had been before."  
Gee, don't you think EMI had no choice in the matter seeing as the Beatles were the biggest thing on the planet at the time?
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