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    Posted: October 10 2020 at 20:10
Here's two features that I think would be massive improvements to the database, obviously we'll probably never see either, but stranger things have happened Smile

Edited by dougmcauliffe - October 10 2020 at 20:12
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Both would be good, and many have called for, but the second is the one I care most about. I so wish we could label albums, and multi label them a la rateyourmusic and that we could easily do searches of albums using multiple genre tags from a drop down menu (click any and all that apply).

Edited by Logan - October 10 2020 at 20:50
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Both sound good to me and i could add a whole list of other suggestions but i've already done so in other threads and it seems pointless now.

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Neither, they make so much sense should have been done eons ago............Lost cause now.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote A Crimson Mellotron Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 11 2020 at 01:16
Good suggestions, but I'd say being able to assign half a stat at this point would be really nice!
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Hi,

I can not say anything of value about this ... I would prefer that an "artist" was an "artist" but these days in most COMMERCIAL music, and specially the progressive/prog side of things, I am now not considering many of these "artists" anymore, because the format is the same and the music has the same drummer and the solo for the guitar is in the same place ... etc, etc, etc, ... all the elements that got us away from "pop" music and into Progressive many years ago.

We might have to just do albums and not consider any band/person progressive, since one album is and the next one is not! Something like that ... but I would have a hard time voting, and thinking alternatives to this detail ... not to mention that the fixing of this will take the rest of our lifetimes, I bet!
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Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

Both would be good, and many have called for, but the second is the one I care most about. I so wish we could label albums, and multi label them a la rateyourmusic and that we could easily do searches of albums using multiple genre tags from a drop down menu (click any and all that apply).
I agree. I think that SEBTP is definitely symph prog, for example, but I think Duke is better classified as crossover prog.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Logan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 11 2020 at 11:45
Originally posted by FatherChristmas FatherChristmas wrote:

Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

Both would be good, and many have called for, but the second is the one I care most about. I so wish we could label albums, and multi label them a la rateyourmusic and that we could easily do searches of albums using multiple genre tags from a drop down menu (click any and all that apply).

I agree. I think that SEBTP is definitely symph prog, for example, but I think Duke is better classified as crossover prog.


Agree. To add, though, not only do I not think labelling a band under one genre often to be sufficient, but also not on the album level. Ideally we would have multi-labels for albums. In that case, Symphonic Prog and Crossover are sufficient descriptors. At rateyourmusic, Selling England by the Pound is labeled as the genres "Progressive Rock, Symphonic Prog" with the added descriptors "epic, satirical, medieval, melodic, complex, philosophical, progressive, uncommon time signatures, technical, male vocals, pastoral, political, concept album, playful, spring, mythology, warm, poetic, passionate, quirky."

There the "Progressive Rock" label itself becomes more important, although considering how many albums in PA are not Prog, especially due to complete discography policies, I would like that as an album label too. At rateyourmusic, Duke is described as "Progressive Pop, Pop Rock" as the main highlighted genres followed by "Progressive Rock, Art Pop, Symphonic Prog." Crossover Prog by our standards, and as descriptors "lonely, breakup, male vocals, concept album, passionate, atmospheric, rock opera." From Genesis to Revelation is described as "Pop Rock, Baroque Pop as the main ones followed by Acoustic Rock, Progressive Pop, Baroque Pop"..

If we had the ability to label albums by multiple genres, then we wouldn't need Crossover Prog or Eclectic Prog as genres. With Crossover Prog we would have the pop label, and with Eclectic Prog we would have any relevant labels to take it's place, such as, "Krautrock, Jazz-Rock, Psychedelic".

I hardly every use our database to discover albums because I can't easily search albums by genres let alone by multiple-genres, and because I'm interested in far more than Prog and find a more general database to be more useful.

Anyway, changing it now would not only be a huge amount of work (I think it would have to be open to all members helping out), but the architecture of the site would need to change. It would entail a large amount of expense. Improvements were made when the owner started up Metal Music Archives and Jazz Music Archives. This is an old site that went online back in 2002. Still, one can dream.

Even if we could change it, I'd still quite like to keep the categories we have as master band labels. At rateyourmusic the Genesis band itself is labelled by the genres "Progressive Rock, Pop Rock, Progressive Pop, Rock Opera, Symphonic Prog, Adult Contemporary".

For me this site's draw is the forum since I have been a here along time, not the database. If it weren't for the community here, I might have migrated to reddit. Variety is the spice of life, and even at the forum here I tend to favour the non-music discussions.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote progaardvark Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 12 2020 at 11:59
The forum software used here is six years old. Look at all the bug fixes over the last six years: https://www.webwiz.net/web-wiz-forums/kb/release-notes.htm

New features for the database are just that: a dream.

I'm sorry my comment is so negative.


Edited by progaardvark - October 12 2020 at 12:01
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Psychedelic Paul Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 12 2020 at 13:09
I vote "Neither" - I like ProgArchives just the way it is now and I wouldn't want to see anything changed. There's an old saying in Texas, it could be in Tennessee:- "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." Smile

Edited by Psychedelic Paul - October 12 2020 at 15:05
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote moshkito Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 12 2020 at 14:53
Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

I vote "Neither" - I like ProgArchives just the way it is now and I wouldn't want to say anything changed. There's an old saying in Texas, it could be in Tennessee:- "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." Smile

Hi,

But geeks are different ... if it ain't broke ... DUMP IT ... and replace it with a cheaper idea/product!

Confused

However, I think the amount of data is way too large to be able to get some things done to improve it ... but I wonder where the "genius folks" are that can't figure out how to change something in a database and then fix it ... methinks that the problem is not the fixing, but the engine it is on ... that is not flexible enough to allow for the fixing! And the boss ain't talking about it!


Edited by moshkito - October 13 2020 at 08:11
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