Forum Home Forum Home > Other music related lounges > Tech Talk
  New Posts New Posts RSS Feed - Powered Monitors Position
  FAQ FAQ  Forum Search   Events   Register Register  Login Login

Powered Monitors Position

 Post Reply Post Reply
Author
Message
JD View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: February 07 2009
Location: Canada
Status: Offline
Points: 18327
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote JD Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Topic: Powered Monitors Position
    Posted: November 14 2020 at 12:02
I have a pair of JBL LSR2328p monitors.
I've always had them in the upright position but now I want to lay them over on their side.
Would you be inclined to have the tweeters to the inside or outside? I'm sitting about 3' from them.

Please explain your rational for me.

Many thanks.
Thank you for supporting independently produced music
Back to Top
Vompatti View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar
VIP Member

Joined: October 22 2005
Location: elsewhere
Status: Offline
Points: 67380
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Vompatti Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 14 2020 at 13:06
Outside, for aesthetic reasons.
Back to Top
Grumpyprogfan View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: July 09 2019
Location: Kansas City
Status: Offline
Points: 9932
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Grumpyprogfan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 14 2020 at 13:12
No right or wrong. Try both positions and choose the one you prefer.
Back to Top
JD View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: February 07 2009
Location: Canada
Status: Offline
Points: 18327
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote JD Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 14 2020 at 16:23
Came across this article on Presonus.com

Many studio monitors shouldn’t be placed horizontally, as horizontal placement can degrade the stereo image, so it’s important to read the monitors’ documentation. Some monitors, like the PreSonus Eris E5, E44, and E66, can be placed horizontally or vertically. When orienting your studio monitors horizontally, they should form a mirror image of each other, with the tweeters on the outside.

But they don't say why.
Thank you for supporting independently produced music
Back to Top
Catcher10 View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar
VIP Member

Joined: December 23 2009
Location: Emerald City
Status: Offline
Points: 17451
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote Catcher10 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 14 2020 at 22:30
Originally posted by JD JD wrote:

I have a pair of JBL LSR2328p monitors.
I've always had them in the upright position but now I want to lay them over on their side.
Would you be inclined to have the tweeters to the inside or outside? I'm sitting about 3' from them.

Please explain your rational for me.

Many thanks.

Ideally, you want the tweeters as close to ear level as possible. 3' is very close, closer than what most call near field listening. So I really don't think it will matter much because of your distance, but I would have the tweeters to the outside to maximize the dispersion and potentially increase the soundstage....but honestly I don't think you will hear any difference.
Back to Top
Frenetic Zetetic View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: December 09 2017
Location: Now
Status: Offline
Points: 9228
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Frenetic Zetetic Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 14 2020 at 23:44
Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Originally posted by JD JD wrote:

I have a pair of JBL LSR2328p monitors.
I've always had them in the upright position but now I want to lay them over on their side.
Would you be inclined to have the tweeters to the inside or outside? I'm sitting about 3' from them.

Please explain your rational for me.

Many thanks.

Ideally, you want the tweeters as close to ear level as possible. 3' is very close, closer than what most call near field listening. So I really don't think it will matter much because of your distance, but I would have the tweeters to the outside to maximize the dispersion and potentially increase the soundstage....but honestly I don't think you will hear any difference.

^This is sound (pun fully intended!) advice.

What I do after something like that is established, is I close my eyes. Sounds dumb but you might find that, despite all logic, your speakers sound best with one tweeter inside and the other outside. I tune my guitar and bass amps and EQ this way; close your eyes and let the ears lead! Smile

"I am so prog, I listen to concept albums on shuffle." -KMac2021
Back to Top
JD View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: February 07 2009
Location: Canada
Status: Offline
Points: 18327
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote JD Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 15 2020 at 07:03
Thanks everyone.
In the past when I've had bookshelf speakers that I wanted to set horizontally I always put the high end out. It just made sense to me. I'm a self taught soundman who never had the benefit of  a formal education in the field. It was baptism by fire the first time I had a 16ch board and 4way PA fired up. God, the first 4-6 months were brutal (1978-79). But then I began to understand the gear and did just that...focused on my hearing.
As has been suggested, I learned to close my eyes and listen.

Final story:
I was hired by Janice Morgan for her band (Network) for a west coast tour. We ended up in Calgary at the Four Seasons for a gig but when we arrived it looked like we had been double booked. The band setting up was Bobby Curtola (famous for his 'Things Go Better With Coka-Cola' ad) They were in the process of doing a sound check and it did NOT sound good. I wondered over to the desk to see if it was a room thing but it sounded the same there. What I found was a guy with a book on acoustical engineering open trying to work a formula for sound absorption coefficients to set his main EQ up. I had never seen anything like it or have since. I think I may have even told him, put the book down and just listen to what's going on.
I once thought that I'd like to  get an RTA, but never did. In the end I just learned how to listen.

Thank you for supporting independently produced music
Back to Top
Catcher10 View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar
VIP Member

Joined: December 23 2009
Location: Emerald City
Status: Offline
Points: 17451
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Catcher10 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 16 2020 at 11:02
Originally posted by JD JD wrote:

Thanks everyone.
In the past when I've had bookshelf speakers that I wanted to set horizontally I always put the high end out. It just made sense to me. I'm a self taught soundman who never had the benefit of  a formal education in the field. It was baptism by fire the first time I had a 16ch board and 4way PA fired up. God, the first 4-6 months were brutal (1978-79). But then I began to understand the gear and did just that...focused on my hearing.
As has been suggested, I learned to close my eyes and listen.

Final story:
I was hired by Janice Morgan for her band (Network) for a west coast tour. We ended up in Calgary at the Four Seasons for a gig but when we arrived it looked like we had been double booked. The band setting up was Bobby Curtola (famous for his 'Things Go Better With Coka-Cola' ad) They were in the process of doing a sound check and it did NOT sound good. I wondered over to the desk to see if it was a room thing but it sounded the same there. What I found was a guy with a book on acoustical engineering open trying to work a formula for sound absorption coefficients to set his main EQ up. I had never seen anything like it or have since. I think I may have even told him, put the book down and just listen to what's going on.
I once thought that I'd like to  get an RTA, but never did. In the end I just learned how to listen.

You cannot second guess your ears, unless you don't have any Cry LOL. Its a combination of hearing and technical process, and some understanding of electronics. Gear makers make gear to sound a certain way, its inherent in the designer they will make what sounds good to them, or what they learned in EE school.

Like you said, you learned by listening and tweaking your setup.
Back to Top
 Post Reply Post Reply

Forum Jump Forum Permissions View Drop Down



This page was generated in 0.125 seconds.
Donate monthly and keep PA fast-loading and ad-free forever.