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I like quite a bit of it. The utopian futuristic sci-fi thing going on is pretty neat and Rabin's guitar work and tones are excellent.
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I've noticed that often people of different ages and backgrounds often have different experiences with the music. I'm maybe older than a lot on here but younger than some so my pov is maybe a bit unique. When BG came out I was already into Yes and liked both 90125 and the older stuff. For me BG is more interesting than and closer to a so called vintage Yes album than 90125 so for me personally I prefer it over that one. I also saw them for the first time on the BG tour so it has sentimental value for that reason alone. Holy Lamb is one of the most underrated things they have done and is sort of a 1980's "wonderous stories." Maybe not one of their best but a very special album for me.
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Never bought it...haven't heard most of it though I am familiar with a few tracks from you tube...also never bought 90125...again have heard it on the radio and you tube. Last one I bought was Drama....stopped there.
I suppose it and 90125 aren't 'bad' albums but they are mediocre to me and are missing that 'classic Yes sound'....however one defines it. I think the first 10 lps are plenty to listen to.

*Cover is very similar to KC-3 of a Perfect Pair....interesting.
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This is one of those albums I loved when it first came out, but it has not stood the test of time with me. I rarely listen to it now.

I absolutely LOATHE "Rhythm of Love" and "Almost Like Love".

"Love Will Find a Way" and "Holy Lamb" are passable, but belong on solo albums.

The rest is pretty decent. 
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Originally posted by JD JD wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

(EDIT)The only later albums I think are better are the ladder, possibly talk and maybe magnification and that's it. Maybe ABWH also but that's not technically a Yes album anyway.
From the Ladder, my highlights are Homeworld (The Ladder), Lightning Strikes and New Language. Lightening Strikes digs deep into my brain and takes control of my body, whenever I have it on I just can't help but dance around the room like an idiot. I mean really, "What'cha gonna do when the lightening strikes and hits you?"
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Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

(EDIT)The only later albums I think are better are the ladder, possibly talk and maybe magnification and that's it. Maybe ABWH also but that's not technically a Yes album anyway.
From the Ladder, my highlights are Homeworld (The Ladder), Lightning Strikes and New Language. Lightening Strikes digs deep into my brain and takes control of my body, whenever I have it on I just can't help but dance around the room like an idiot. I mean really, "What'cha gonna do when the lightening strikes and hits you?"
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I must agree with "Shoot High, Aim Low" as highest point for a prog taste.
Strongest feature overall: Tremendous vocal harmonies, fully integrating the great Trevor Rabin's voice in the lower register.
Weakest: The poor sound fixed for the drums, very demeaning of Alan's extraordinary abilities.
As for the High Vibration SACD edition coming from Japan, I find the boost in the bass area interesting, the huge compression level not so much.
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One of the most underrated Yes albums imo. Yes were a band who did different things and not just stereotypical prog. I think this is something that a lot of their longtime fans struggle with and can't fully comprehend. The only later albums I think are better are the ladder, possibly talk and maybe magnification and that's it. Maybe ABWH also but that's not technically a Yes album anyway. 

My favorite track on it is probably "I'm running" but I think the whole thing is very good. 
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I had picked up a mint copy LP back at the end of last year for around $6 CDN.
Shoot High Aim Low, Almost Like Love, I'm Running are the highlights for me.
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Final Eyes and I'm Running are superb.

I also love the energy of Almost Like Love. Big smile
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Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

I like the album, especially side 2 - "I'm Running" is a great song. It's quite possible that I prefer it to 90125.
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Final Eyes and I'm Running are superb.

I also love the energy of Almost Like Love. Big smile
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I like the album, especially side 2 - "I'm Running" is a great song. It's quite possible that I prefer it to 90125.
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Originally posted by Rednight Rednight wrote:

I just can't seem to get past the album's bad reviews (and I haven't really enjoyed what I've heard of it). Has it been remastered, and what's its best tune?


I guess I won't dislike the album if I hear it again, but I hardly love anything from it either. I guess the best song for progger would have to be "Shoot High, Aim Low", though I might just as well like "Holy Lamb" best. Both of which actually sound rather different from the rest of the album, as far as I remember.
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According to a friend, whose ears I trust, the original CD with SRC imbedded on the disc (my CD) is the original brighter disc. The duller and lower volume remastered disc has RE 101 imbedded on the disc and came out about 4 years later. He has the Japanese remaster from 2010 and says it has more bass but is also a bit compressed. 
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Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Originally posted by Rednight Rednight wrote:

I just can't seem to get past the album's bad reviews (and I haven't really enjoyed what I've heard of it). Has it been remastered, and what's its best tune?

Don't read reviews.....Why let someone else determine your listening habits?? I have the '87 CD mastered at Precision Lacquer by Stephen Marcussen, pressed by SRC. I believe it is mixed by Trevor which he likes treble, so its bright IMO.
Also have the '87 LP version pressed by Allied as a DMM (Direct Metal Master) plating, which tend to be bass shy but this one is better than the CD version and not as bright.
In '87 did not have a car CD player so I dubbed to cassette using metal bias tape and that sounded better than the CD as it was a bit warmer and had low end.....It was quiet enough for a car system.

I don't think it has been officially reissued, remastered or remixed in the US/UK, there are some reissues out of Japan, I think SACD but who knows the quality, probably suspect and not official. Friday Music reissued on LP in US but those are spotty at best from Friday Music, Joe Reagoso is a good engineer, problem is the masters he receives.

As far as the album, I very much enjoy it......It has some prog tendencies but its not progressive rock at all. That stopped by '87 and especially by Yes........and I don't call it pop music at all. It's rock music
You're right Jose, I can only find the Japanese remasters. That's probably why I haven't seen them. LOL
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Not my favorite Yes album but it has some good moments. 
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Originally posted by Rednight Rednight wrote:

I just can't seem to get past the album's bad reviews (and I haven't really enjoyed what I've heard of it). Has it been remastered, and what's its best tune?

Don't read reviews.....Why let someone else determine your listening habits?? I have the '87 CD mastered at Precision Lacquer by Stephen Marcussen, pressed by SRC. I believe it is mixed by Trevor which he likes treble, so its bright IMO.
Also have the '87 LP version pressed by Allied as a DMM (Direct Metal Master) plating, which tend to be bass shy but this one is better than the CD version and not as bright.
In '87 did not have a car CD player so I dubbed to cassette using metal bias tape and that sounded better than the CD as it was a bit warmer and had low end.....It was quiet enough for a car system.

I don't think it has been officially reissued, remastered or remixed in the US/UK, there are some reissues out of Japan, I think SACD but who knows the quality, probably suspect and not official. Friday Music reissued on LP in US but those are spotty at best from Friday Music, Joe Reagoso is a good engineer, problem is the masters he receives.

As far as the album, I very much enjoy it......It has some prog tendencies but its not progressive rock at all. That stopped by '87 and especially by Yes........and I don't call it pop music at all. It's rock music
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This version of Yes never did it for me... and I try to avoid Big Generator.
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Originally posted by Rednight Rednight wrote:

I just can't seem to get past the album's bad reviews (and I haven't really enjoyed what I've heard of it). Has it been remastered, and what's its best tune?
Most of the songs are good to me, but it's more in the vain of AOR, then old Yes. It's not as blatantly poppy like Asia, imo.
 
The mastering on CD is quite a puzzle. The original 1987 CD edition sounded decent if a bit shy on bass and a bit bright. This was changed to a dull remaster in 1991 for no good reason. I believe it was remastered again in 2009 with bonus tracks, but I've yet to come across it, so I can't say how it sounds.


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