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    Posted: November 29 2020 at 08:28
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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by judahbenkenobi judahbenkenobi wrote:

Dodo/Lurker gets my vote.

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The whole Ababcab album makes me go back to my Gabriel-era Genesis albums. Smile

or to the 4 previous albums with Collins on vocals. 
No? Big smile
Yes, especially A Trick of the Tail - my favourite Genesis album with Phil Collins on vocals. Thumbs Up
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Originally posted by judahbenkenobi judahbenkenobi wrote:

Dodo/Lurker gets my vote.

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The whole Ababcab album makes me go back to my Gabriel-era Genesis albums. Smile

or to the 4 previous albums with Collins on vocals. 
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Originally posted by judahbenkenobi judahbenkenobi wrote:

Dodo/Lurker gets my vote.

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The whole Ababcab album makes me go back to my Gabriel-era Genesis albums. Smile
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Dodo/Lurker gets my vote.

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Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

Originally posted by Frenetic Zetetic Frenetic Zetetic wrote:


What you said is not wrong, despite their actual monetary success being way, way higher post-golden era. Rutherford is a very solid musician, though, despite not being Hackett on guitar or even close. He's extremely competent as a bass player and guitar player, I'd even argue a tad underrated and overlooked on bass because of his flexibility as a player!

Thanks, great reply!!  Mind you, I've long been a HUGE fan of Rutherford on the bass guitar, and put him on the same level as Squire, Lake etc.  

As a bassist and guitarist, I know that the skills don't always translate well.  Rutherford was competent on the 6 string, but no maestro, and I always thought the music of Genesis deserved that maestro in the guitarist chair.

I need to put on the headphones and listen to their later catalog more closely.  Cheers, Charles
 
Again, we're similar! Also a guitar/bass player. I played guitar to start, then switched to bass semi professionally to gig and record for YEARS, came back to guitar, and it's like a toy it's so easy LOL!  Smile

Gonna throw on some Genesis with my coffee right now! Cool

Wonderful!!  Do you ever play lead guitar licks on a bass guitar? 

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Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

Originally posted by Frenetic Zetetic Frenetic Zetetic wrote:


What you said is not wrong, despite their actual monetary success being way, way higher post-golden era. Rutherford is a very solid musician, though, despite not being Hackett on guitar or even close. He's extremely competent as a bass player and guitar player, I'd even argue a tad underrated and overlooked on bass because of his flexibility as a player!

Thanks, great reply!!  Mind you, I've long been a HUGE fan of Rutherford on the bass guitar, and put him on the same level as Squire, Lake etc.  

As a bassist and guitarist, I know that the skills don't always translate well.  Rutherford was competent on the 6 string, but no maestro, and I always thought the music of Genesis deserved that maestro in the guitarist chair.

I need to put on the headphones and listen to their later catalog more closely.  Cheers, Charles

Again, we're similar! Also a guitar/bass player. I played guitar to start, then switched to bass semi professionally to gig and record for YEARS, came back to guitar, and it's like a toy it's so easy LOL!  Smile

Gonna throw on some Genesis with my coffee right now! Cool

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Originally posted by Frenetic Zetetic Frenetic Zetetic wrote:


What you said is not wrong, despite their actual monetary success being way, way higher post-golden era. Rutherford is a very solid musician, though, despite not being Hackett on guitar or even close. He's extremely competent as a bass player and guitar player, I'd even argue a tad underrated and overlooked on bass because of his flexibility as a player!

Thanks, great reply!!  Mind you, I've long been a HUGE fan of Rutherford on the bass guitar, and put him on the same level as Squire, Lake etc.  

As a bassist and guitarist, I know that the skills don't always translate well.  Rutherford was competent on the 6 string, but no maestro, and I always thought the music of Genesis deserved that maestro in the guitarist chair.

I need to put on the headphones and listen to their later catalog more closely.  Cheers, Charles


Edited by cstack3 - November 25 2020 at 11:52
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Originally posted by Neu!mann Neu!mann wrote:

Shoot, for a minute I thought "Another Record" meant I could vote for Foxtrot...
That's a good one.
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Me and Sarah Jane's my choice here. Dodo/Lurker just gets silly and yawn inducing. Really surprised it's jumped out ahead in this poll.
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Originally posted by Dellinger Dellinger wrote:

I find this album to be the most uninteresting and boring one I have heard from them. I do like Dodo / Lurker, though.

I think it's saving grace is that it was a very clear approach (trimmed down) and no fudging. It reminds me a bit of Mike Oldfield's Platinum album that showed a very different approach to what he's done before but nevertheless its very creative. Genesis totally jumped the shark for me when they did Mama but then that's a whole different discussion Smile
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Originally posted by Dellinger Dellinger wrote:

I find this album to be the most uninteresting and boring one I have heard from them. I do like Dodo / Lurker, though.

That would 100% be their self-titled for me. I love Mama and the HMTS Parts 1/2, but that's it.

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Keep it Dark

Dude, this one and the title track are ALWAYS IN MY DAMN HEAD.

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I find this album to be the most uninteresting and boring one I have heard from them. I do like Dodo / Lurker, though.
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Dodo/Lurker definitely
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Abacab.
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Originally posted by Steve Wyzard Steve Wyzard wrote:

This is my very favorite Genesis album, an opinion no doubt swayed by the fact that it was also my very first Genesis album. I whole-heartedly concur with "Dodo/Lurker" and "Abacab" being the most memorable, although in my very biased view, there are no bad tracks on this album. I love them all, and have never grown tired of this album.

No one has yet mentioned that this was intended to be a double album, with "Paperlate", "You Might Recall", "Me and Virgil", "Naminanu", and "Submarine" being the remaining tracks. The record company talked them out of it.

I've never heard the story of the double album, in 1981 Confused, I just don't see it. Could be hearsay unless you actually can give us a source. 

Naminanu was a B-side for Keep It Dark. 
Submarine was a B-side for Man On the Corner. 

The other three were either on the 3x3 single/EP or the fourth side on Three Sides Live on some releases. 
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Originally posted by Steve Wyzard Steve Wyzard wrote:

This is my very favorite Genesis album, an opinion no doubt swayed by the fact that it was also my very first Genesis album. I whole-heartedly concur with "Dodo/Lurker" and "Abacab" being the most memorable, although in my very biased view, there are no bad tracks on this album. I love them all, and have never grown tired of this album.

No one has yet mentioned that this was intended to be a double album, with "Paperlate", "You Might Recall", "Me and Virgil", "Naminanu", and "Submarine" being the remaining tracks. The record company talked them out of it.

I had no idea about the concept album part; everything I've read said the band intentionally made a very conscious effort to avoid traditional Genesis pro tropes! Interesting!

I LOVE the production on this album. It's perfect. Synth heaven! Tony Banks all day FTW.

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This is my very favorite Genesis album, an opinion no doubt swayed by the fact that it was also my very first Genesis album. I whole-heartedly concur with "Dodo/Lurker" and "Abacab" being the most memorable, although in my very biased view, there are no bad tracks on this album. I love them all, and have never grown tired of this album.

No one has yet mentioned that this was intended to be a double album, with "Paperlate", "You Might Recall", "Me and Virgil", "Naminanu", and "Submarine" being the remaining tracks. The record company talked them out of it.
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Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by Frenetic Zetetic Frenetic Zetetic wrote:

Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

I had to listen to this again on YouTube. 

No vote.  Can't stand this album.  Sorry.

LOL at least you're honest! LOL Clap
At least Abacab's not as bad as We Can't Dance & Calling All Stations, although that's not much of a recommendation. Smile

Yeah, THAT'S the truth!! 

Mind you, I was a huge fan of "And Then There Were Three" and saw that tour live.  It was wonderful! 

Genesis was diminished by not having a legitimate 6 string guitar wizard.  Daryl would have been amazing and would have brought some excellent musical/composing chops to the band.  Alas, Michael is not brilliant on the 6 string.  

However, the business of music is to pay the bills, and they certainly did that!!  Hat's off to them for a long and successful run in pop music, who'd a thunk?

What you said is not wrong, despite their actual monetary success being way, way higher post-golden era. Rutherford is a very solid musician, though, despite not being Hackett on guitar or even close. He's extremely competent as a bass player and guitar player, I'd even argue a tad underrated and overlooked on bass because of his flexibility as a player!

Amazing you saw that tour live, btw; that was still a few years before I was around LOL Cool.

Let's just say Land of Confusion was already out fora two years before I showed up to the party LOL.

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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by Frenetic Zetetic Frenetic Zetetic wrote:

Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

I had to listen to this again on YouTube. 

No vote.  Can't stand this album.  Sorry.

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At least Abacab's not as bad as We Can't Dance & Calling All Stations, although that's not much of a recommendation. Smile

Yeah, THAT'S the truth!! 

Mind you, I was a huge fan of "And Then There Were Three" and saw that tour live.  It was wonderful! 

Genesis was diminished by not having a legitimate 6 string guitar wizard.  Daryl would have been amazing and would have brought some excellent musical/composing chops to the band.  Alas, Michael is not brilliant on the 6 string.  

However, the business of music is to pay the bills, and they certainly did that!!  Hat's off to them for a long and successful run in pop music, who'd a thunk?
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