Which Prog band made the best pop

Cristi wrote: Psychedelic Paul wrote: Cristi wrote: There are users here that don't even listen to Genesis beyond 1977...   That would be me then. I didn't know that.

Cristi wrote: dougmcauliffe wrote: Who is the term circlejerk offensive too? People can’t help but to express their raging and irrational hatred for Phil Collins and 80s Genesis any time it’s brought up. Imagine after 30 years and change still going out of your way to talk about music you apparently hate in a generally lighthearted thread, kinda sad tbh. It’s catchy, pleasant, punchy, and I think it’s all good stuff, no need to try to tear it down for other people. Well then, you've used your words poorly. I looked up "circlejerk" (English is not my native language) and first definition I found had some sexual connotation which confused me even more about what you trying to say.  I am not one of those listeners that get all annoyed or hateful about pop Genesis. That's an exaggeration. If I say their albums from the 80s and 90s are uneven, I am not annoyed or hateful.  I am not tearing it down for anyone. There are users here that don't even listen to Genesis beyond 1977 and it's fine. Everyone's got a right to speak their mind. I've been listening to Genesis since late 80s and it was some poppy stuff from the trio years that I started with. There are certain songs from the pop years I'll always be fond of.

That comment wasn’t directed towards you, outside of the first sentence. Circlejerk is more used in the sense like "Prog rock fans circlejerk albums like Court of the Crimson King and Close to The Edge" (just choosing those for example purposes) or in online circles such as reddit there's communities called r/kingcrimsoncirclejerk or r/genesiscirclejerk where folks just post memes about the bands and such. I think in all prog circles there's a phil collins hatred circlejerk that's been beat to death, especially when the weight of the responsibility of the stylistic shift is pretty evenly distributed throughout the band.

Edited by dougmcauliffe - December 01 2020 at 06:10

chopper wrote: Getting back on track a bit, I'd just like to mention Renaissance and "Northern Lights" as a good example of prog pop, just in case nobody else has mentioned it.

Thanks! TBH I've never heard Renaissance.

I voted for Genesis from this list, but also mention David Bowie as an honorable mention.  Songs like "Heroes" are classics, not sure that much of the Genesis pop-pile would qualify as a classic.

I'm off topic here. Is it still fashionable to hate Phil Collins?

This is like asking which Michelin star chef is best at microwaving a hot pocket. 

dr wu23 wrote: SteveG wrote: I'm off topic here. Is it still fashionable to hate Phil Collins? Hate's a strong word...but dislike sure....for turning Genesis into his backing band for his pop stardom.

SteveG wrote: So, it is fashionable to hate Banks and Rutherford? ;)

SteveG wrote: Ok then. How about strongly dislike?

^ that's another thing, everybody conveniently forgets that Steve Hackett made a lot of genuinely mediocre pop at the same time Genesis was in their pop era.