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    Posted: December 14 2020 at 01:18


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Originally posted by Manuel Manuel wrote:

Pink Floyd’s music, specially the songs written by Roger Waters, have a high content of social commentaries, and as mentioned before, Jethro Tull’s music had a lot too, including criticisms to the religious influence on British society.


Zappa, Rush, Tull & Floyd are definitely carrying the medals - though not necessarily in that order.

I would add Supertramp with some heavy social commentary in their lyrics (both Davies & Hodgson)

Of course Genesis' Selling England is one hell of a social statement as well.







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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote richardh Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 12 2020 at 08:14
just a whole bunch of Rush 80's songs , too many to list but anyway a few of my faves
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote ExittheLemming Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 12 2020 at 07:41
People singing about what they think is wrong with the world is a bit like lobbying the profoundly deaf to effect change.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Heart of the Matter Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 12 2020 at 04:43
^^ "A Wonderful Day in a One-Way World" may be a good example on Peter's side. Even Genesis after Gabriel have some pearls, like "Blood On The Rooftops"
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Originally posted by HackettFan HackettFan wrote:

Grand Parade of Lifeless Packaging

Numerous Peter Gabriel solo tracks

Not to mention Genesis epics such as "Get 'em out by Friday!"
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Grand Parade of Lifeless Packaging

Numerous Peter Gabriel solo tracks
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Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

You want social commentary....it doesn't get any better than this and Mr Harper has been commenting from the beginning...
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You want social commentary....it doesn't get any better than this and Mr Harper has been commenting from the beginning...
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^^ Maybe we need new ways to say the things that matter? That was (and hopefully still is) a prime motivation for Prog. Cliches & repetition aren´t that enjoyable, that's for sure.
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^Well, maybe that's an indication that nothing's changed. It's still worthy when it's still relevant. If you're tired of it, guess we're all really to blame.
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Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Tbh, the social commentaries themselves do little for me. I've heard it all before in various guises of folk and folk rock. What I do like about it is that it forces the artists to create music as dramatic and moving as the lyrics. Just look at the usual suspects like Epitaph from KC and New World from the Strawbs. Moving songs that were custom made for the mellotron.

I agree; it also doesn't help that something novel, innovative, and unique is done with the stances on war, famine, corruption, money, etc. It's always the same sh*t over and over, we get it, bands LOL LOL.

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Go sit down and have some tea, Jon, lol.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (2) Thanks(2)   Quote cstack3 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 07 2020 at 21:07
Yes used to excel at this.  "Don't Kill the Whale" is a prime example. 

Jon's latest social commentary is powerful music and commentary, doesn't get better than this! 





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Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Selling England comes to mind.

Selling England is most definitely social commentary, an entire album dedicated to an England (it was England, not Britain) quickly disappearing in every social sense.

It was not political at all. Others here have mentioned Floyd with Waters as the main protagonist lyrically, but his lyrics were primarily political, not social. I have commentated on my Floyd reviews, especially Animals, how much he influenced me politically for many years, but, in all honesty, I find it tiresome as I have gotten older, especially his anti-Israel rants.

Ironically, the Genesis lyrics on their social commentary influences me far more politically now as a middle aged man.

Another exceptional example, btw, is Martin Orford’s exceptional lyrics (and music) on The Old Road, especially the title track and The Endgame. Jim Garten provided this site with the finest interview we have seen when he questioned Martin about the events which led to his retirement from the music industry, and whether you agreed with him, or not, you feel intrinsically bound to him when listening to the lyrics on this fine work.

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Originally posted by Heart of the Matter Heart of the Matter wrote:

The lyrics of The Court Of The Crimson King seems to represent well several of the apects pointed out until now: it's metaphoric, establishing some sort of parallel between that elusive medieval society and ours, it's acid with criticism, but also omitting any political/revolutionary agenda, and it works as motivation for the huge dramatic scope of the music (with the help of mellotron, of course).

Actually, there is metaphor and allegory throughout The Court of the Crimson King, but the poem by Peter Sinfield is about Holy Roman Emperor Frederick II and his long antagonistic relationship with Popes Innocent III and Gregory IX, interspersed with allusions to Frederick's own writings regarding alchemy, religion and his acquaintance with Thomas Aquinas, along with other 14th century concerns.

For instance, the line "The Gardener plants an evergreen whilst trampling on a flower" is a reference to St. Francis of Assisi, the "Little Flower" whose ideals of charity and poverty were trampled by the pope and the Church. If you've ever read Umberto Eco's The Name of the Rose, the Spiritual Franciscans who advocated poverty as a Christlike ideal were supported by Emperor Frederick against the papal forces who were far more interested in the wealth and power of the Church in the 14th century.


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The lyrics of The Court Of The Crimson King seems to represent well several of the apects pointed out until now: it's metaphoric, establishing some sort of parallel between that elusive medieval society and ours, it's acid with criticism, but also omitting any political/revolutionary agenda, and it works as motivation for the huge dramatic scope of the music (with the help of mellotron, of course).

Playing now the advocate of the devil, I propose a counter-example:
Genesis' "Visions of Angels" doesn't adress any social issue, does it? It's more about a romantic perception of nature, perhaps.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote SteveG Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 07 2020 at 05:42
Tbh, the social commentaries themselves do little for me. I've heard it all before in various guises of folk and folk rock. What I do like about it is that it forces the artists to create music as dramatic and moving as the lyrics. Just look at the usual suspects like Epitaph from KC and New World from the Strawbs. Moving songs that were custom made for the mellotron.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Frenetic Zetetic Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 07 2020 at 04:20
Selling England by The Pound in general, Gentle Giant's Proclamation, Zappa in general, Captain Beefheart had ome very unique off the cuff commentary on social and political happenings.

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Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Selling England comes to mind.

Another exceptional example, btw, is Martin Orford’s exceptional lyrics (and music) on The Old Road, especially the title track and The Endgame. Jim Garten provided this site with the finest interview we have seen when he questioned Martin about the events which led to his retirement from the music industry, and whether you agreed with him, or not, you feel intrinsically bound to him when listening to the lyrics on this fine work.

The Old Road is probably one of my favorite albums of all time. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote octopus-4 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 07 2020 at 03:54
What about Marillion? Clutching At Straws and Brave. Also the first solo by Fish has Big Wedge and Family Business 
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