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    Posted: October 03 2005 at 16:05
I'd started a new thread over the weekend, and it's mysteriously
disappeared from the site. Since it received several interested
responses, I wanted to follow up on it. It was raising the
question of why Fred Frith, a key figure of the Canterbury and
RIO scenes (Henry Cow, Art Bears, Aksak Maboul, etc.), as well
as the New York avant-rock scene which spawned so much
neo-progressive, would not have his own listing here despite a
mountain of fascinating solo efforts. This is a guy who was a
key player on the crucial Eno albums, Robert Wyatt albums,
even the Residents, so to banish him to the obscurity of an
"avant-garde" category is not sufficient. Then I checked out a
link that somebody suggested at www.nyds-exp-discogs.tk, and
saw that Frith has 416+ albums to his credit, naturally both as
soloist and as collaborator. So, it's understandable that it would
be ominous to embark on such an undertaking as a detailed
discography. But to those interested, check out this website; it's
got detailed discographies for all the key New York scene
players, like Frith, John Zorn, Elliot Sharp and Zeena Parkins.
This is a branch of truly progressive music that did not stagnate
into a marketing category, and what can be said? If you don't
know "Naked City", you're missing an essential piece of
modern music knowledge.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 03 2005 at 16:16
maybe its on one of the other pages for past threads ?

and i have no idea who fred frith is
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 03 2005 at 16:18
It's in the Bands and Albums section of the site
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 03 2005 at 16:41
If you've never heard of Fred, just check out his first 2 solo
albums, "Gravity" and "Speechless", they are indescribably rich,
complex and beautiful. This took progressive to new realms in
the early 80's, with combinations of eastern folk, punk, and
more typical prog sounding things, in a mixture that's
indescribable, but always recognizably Frith. He revolutionized
possibilities of guitar playing by going at it in radical, inventive
ways, playing them with hammers, screw drivers, etc., but
always in a very musical way, and with a very solid base in
rock, classic, and jazz. A muiti-instrumentalist also very gifted
on violin and keyboards, modest enough to dutifully perform
bass in John Zorn's band "Naked City", which was sort of the
essence of technically astute post-modern collage punk music.
When I saw them live once, Zorn announced, "This next song
features 43 different styles of music in 3 minutes." After actually
doing it, an audience member shouted "That was only 28!" Zorn
dryly continued, "This next song is called 'Jazz Snobs Eat sh*t".
OK, 'nuff said...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 03 2005 at 18:31

I agree, Frith is worth to be here in the site. Nevertheless he is so prolific producer (like Zappa for example) that is outside any category. For example  "Technology of tears" is very experimental, but with a pop flavour. And some works with John Zorn like the live improvisation NY1981 are too far avantgarde.

I would suggest, if you have a good knowledge about FF, that you discriminate the prog discography and then propose it to the responsable of the Site.

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 04 2005 at 01:59
I'd always thought of Firth's solo stuff as being rooted firmly in avant-garde.  Interesting yes, but I'm not sure if it's worthy of a place on this site (maybe under prog related though).
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