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Nobody mentions "La Sagrada Familia" by Alan Parsons Project

And have there chimes, choir, following the star, peace for lion and the lamb, the Holy Family. And mention of an architect who is close to be a saint.
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Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

Originally posted by Dellinger Dellinger wrote:

Hamburger Concerto, from Focus. The choir near the end is supposed to tell a passage from a traditional dutch chirstmas song...


Excellent suggestion, thank you Dellinger!  Finally, something new!!

We go through this exercise EVERY Yuletide, and it's always Greg Lake & "I Believe in Bloody Father Christmas!!"  


Well, it's not the first year I suggest that one, since I found out about the supposed origin of those choirs.
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Nobody mentions "La Sagrada Familia" by Alan Parsons Project

And have there chimes, choir, following the star, peace for lion and the lamb, the Holy Family. And mention of an architect who is close to be a saint.


What's Christmasy about that song? I never noticed such a thing... and I do love that song, actually.
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Holy Lamb - Yes

Although the song is at Big Generator which is doubtfully a prog album.


I checked the lyrics for this one and didn't find much of a Christmas connection either. Is there anything I might be missing?
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At least half of BG is prog or proggy:

Shoot high aim low
Holy Lamb (if wonderous stories is prog so is this)
I'm running
Final Eyes
Big Generator

The rest is admittedly rather poppy.

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Originally posted by Dellinger Dellinger wrote:

Originally posted by RaphaelT RaphaelT wrote:


Holy Lamb - Yes

Although the song is at Big Generator which is doubtfully a prog album.


I checked the lyrics for this one and didn't find much of a Christmas connection either. Is there anything I might be missing?

Holy Lamb was about the harmonic convergence which was the first global meditation and not about Christmas.


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Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Originally posted by Dellinger Dellinger wrote:

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Holy Lamb - Yes

Although the song is at Big Generator which is doubtfully a prog album.


I checked the lyrics for this one and didn't find much of a Christmas connection either. Is there anything I might be missing?

Holy Lamb was about the harmonic convergence which was the first global meditation and not about Christmas.

My mistake, I was quoting extension written to Chris Hedges' book about Yes, written by polish journalist.
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Originally posted by Dellinger Dellinger wrote:

Originally posted by RaphaelT RaphaelT wrote:



Nobody mentions "La Sagrada Familia" by Alan Parsons Project

And have there chimes, choir, following the star, peace for lion and the lamb, the Holy Family. And mention of an architect who is close to be a saint.


What's Christmasy about that song? I never noticed such a thing... and I do love that song, actually.

The elements that I mention that are typical of christian beliefs related to Christmas. Indirect, like allusion to new hope, the journey of the wise men. And an element direct, mention of the Holy Family (which "La Sagrada Familia" literally means in Spanish). After all, Christmas in tradition was not only about the winter solstice but also about the nativity of Christ. This song, indirectly, reminded me of catholic carols. 
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Which is the greatest Prog Christmas album, the Tull one? What would you say?
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Originally posted by RaphaelT RaphaelT wrote:

Originally posted by Dellinger Dellinger wrote:

Originally posted by RaphaelT RaphaelT wrote:



Nobody mentions "La Sagrada Familia" by Alan Parsons Project

And have there chimes, choir, following the star, peace for lion and the lamb, the Holy Family. And mention of an architect who is close to be a saint.


What's Christmasy about that song? I never noticed such a thing... and I do love that song, actually.


The elements that I mention that are typical of christian beliefs related to Christmas. Indirect, like allusion to new hope, the journey of the wise men. And an element direct, mention of the Holy Family (which "La Sagrada Familia" literally means in Spanish). After all, Christmas in tradition was not only about the winter solstice but also about the nativity of Christ. This song, indirectly, reminded me of catholic carols. 


I'm afraid I'm not catholic enough to know exactly what would be meant by the Holy Family... would it be the same as the Holy Trinity? However, what I get to understand about the mention of La Sagrada Familia, is not so much about it's concept for catholics, but about the Cathedral in Barcelona of the same name, and from which comes the name of the album, and which is explicitly mentioned at least in the opening narration, though perhaps not so clearly in the lyrics of the song itself.
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Originally posted by A Crimson Mellotron A Crimson Mellotron wrote:

Which is the greatest Prog Christmas album, the Tull one? What would you say?


I don't know so many Christmas albums, but yeah, I guess overall that's the one I have liked best so far.
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Originally posted by Dellinger Dellinger wrote:

Originally posted by RaphaelT RaphaelT wrote:

Originally posted by Dellinger Dellinger wrote:

Originally posted by RaphaelT RaphaelT wrote:



Nobody mentions "La Sagrada Familia" by Alan Parsons Project

And have there chimes, choir, following the star, peace for lion and the lamb, the Holy Family. And mention of an architect who is close to be a saint.


What's Christmasy about that song? I never noticed such a thing... and I do love that song, actually.


The elements that I mention that are typical of christian beliefs related to Christmas. Indirect, like allusion to new hope, the journey of the wise men. And an element direct, mention of the Holy Family (which "La Sagrada Familia" literally means in Spanish). After all, Christmas in tradition was not only about the winter solstice but also about the nativity of Christ. This song, indirectly, reminded me of catholic carols. 


I'm afraid I'm not catholic enough to know exactly what would be meant by the Holy Family... would it be the same as the Holy Trinity? However, what I get to understand about the mention of La Sagrada Familia, is not so much about it's concept for catholics, but about the Cathedral in Barcelona of the same name, and from which comes the name of the album, and which is explicitly mentioned at least in the opening narration, though perhaps not so clearly in the lyrics of the song itself.

I've been to it. It's amazing.
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Originally posted by Dellinger Dellinger wrote:

Originally posted by RaphaelT RaphaelT wrote:

Originally posted by Dellinger Dellinger wrote:

Originally posted by RaphaelT RaphaelT wrote:



Nobody mentions "La Sagrada Familia" by Alan Parsons Project

And have there chimes, choir, following the star, peace for lion and the lamb, the Holy Family. And mention of an architect who is close to be a saint.


What's Christmasy about that song? I never noticed such a thing... and I do love that song, actually.


The elements that I mention that are typical of christian beliefs related to Christmas. Indirect, like allusion to new hope, the journey of the wise men. And an element direct, mention of the Holy Family (which "La Sagrada Familia" literally means in Spanish). After all, Christmas in tradition was not only about the winter solstice but also about the nativity of Christ. This song, indirectly, reminded me of catholic carols. 


I'm afraid I'm not catholic enough to know exactly what would be meant by the Holy Family... would it be the same as the Holy Trinity? However, what I get to understand about the mention of La Sagrada Familia, is not so much about it's concept for catholics, but about the Cathedral in Barcelona of the same name, and from which comes the name of the album, and which is explicitly mentioned at least in the opening narration, though perhaps not so clearly in the lyrics of the song itself.

Don't worry, many of the catholics mix Holy Trinity (God, Son of God, Holy Spirit) with Holy Family (Jesus (Son of God), Mary and Saint Joseph). 
Well, in catholic tradition cathedrals were not just walls, but also earthly representation of Heaven, of Kingdom to Come. So I think the process of building of the said La Sagrada Familia church (it is not cathedral of Barcelona) can also be the metaphore of bringing the Heaven, the Kingdom to Come. This is also about Christmas because commemorating the first coming of Christ (in the past) in tradition it is also celebrating the future coming of the Christ (the Kingdom to Come). 
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Not really "prog"... but it's in 15/16 !!



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Blood on the rooftops---it does take place on Xmas day..".wont you stay?"

(PS--off topic--but always thought Big Gen was a better album than any other Yes west)
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Originally posted by RaphaelT RaphaelT wrote:

Originally posted by Dellinger Dellinger wrote:

Originally posted by RaphaelT RaphaelT wrote:

Originally posted by Dellinger Dellinger wrote:

Originally posted by RaphaelT RaphaelT wrote:



Nobody mentions "La Sagrada Familia" by Alan Parsons Project

And have there chimes, choir, following the star, peace for lion and the lamb, the Holy Family. And mention of an architect who is close to be a saint.


What's Christmasy about that song? I never noticed such a thing... and I do love that song, actually.


The elements that I mention that are typical of christian beliefs related to Christmas. Indirect, like allusion to new hope, the journey of the wise men. And an element direct, mention of the Holy Family (which "La Sagrada Familia" literally means in Spanish). After all, Christmas in tradition was not only about the winter solstice but also about the nativity of Christ. This song, indirectly, reminded me of catholic carols. 


I'm afraid I'm not catholic enough to know exactly what would be meant by the Holy Family... would it be the same as the Holy Trinity? However, what I get to understand about the mention of La Sagrada Familia, is not so much about it's concept for catholics, but about the Cathedral in Barcelona of the same name, and from which comes the name of the album, and which is explicitly mentioned at least in the opening narration, though perhaps not so clearly in the lyrics of the song itself.


Don't worry, many of the catholics mix Holy Trinity (God, Son of God, Holy Spirit) with Holy Family (Jesus (Son of God), Mary and Saint Joseph). 
Well, in catholic tradition cathedrals were not just walls, but also earthly representation of Heaven, of Kingdom to Come. So I think the process of building of the said La Sagrada Familia church (it is not cathedral of Barcelona) can also be the metaphore of bringing the Heaven, the Kingdom to Come. This is also about Christmas because commemorating the first coming of Christ (in the past) in tradition it is also celebrating the future coming of the Christ (the Kingdom to Come). 


Actually, I don't recall having heard the concept of the Holy Family before. As for the Cathedral thing, I got that impression about La Sagrada Familia because in the narration of the song itself they call it so, and haven't looked up so much about it otherwise (except for the pictures).
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Originally posted by Dellinger Dellinger wrote:

 
Actually, I don't recall having heard the concept of the Holy Family before. As for the Cathedral thing, I got that impression about La Sagrada Familia because in the narration of the song itself they call it so, and haven't looked up so much about it otherwise (except for the pictures).

Every Catholic knows the concept of the Holy Family....Jesus, Mary and Joseph.***















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Originally posted by RaphaelT RaphaelT wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Originally posted by Dellinger Dellinger wrote:

Originally posted by RaphaelT RaphaelT wrote:


Holy Lamb - Yes

Although the song is at Big Generator which is doubtfully a prog album.


I checked the lyrics for this one and didn't find much of a Christmas connection either. Is there anything I might be missing?

Holy Lamb was about the harmonic convergence which was the first global meditation and not about Christmas.

My mistake, I was quoting extension written to Chris Hedges' book about Yes, written by polish journalist.

I don't know of a Chris Hedges book about Yes. There was a Chris Welch book and a Dan Hedges book(long out of print). Maybe you are conflating the two.
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Originally posted by projeKct projeKct wrote:

Not really "prog"... but it's in 15/16 !!




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Right on par with my signature Mellotron down below!


Edited by Frenetic Zetetic - December 24 2020 at 00:01

"What is Prog?"-verslibre


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