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Poll Question: Which is your favourite of these albums released in 1986
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I'm going with Icehouse GSL because I love Bowie imitators.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote nick_h_nz Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 18 2021 at 05:22
Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

I'm going with Icehouse GSL because I love Bowie imitators.

For sure! Iva Davies has never made any secret of his admiration for Bowie, or that manís influence on his work. Indeed, prior to Flowers/Icehouse, Davies was in a Bowie cover band, from what I recall reading in Smash Hits back in the day (I was a subscriber, and being in NZ, it was the Australian Smash Hits, rather than the UK, so had a strong focus on Australian music.)

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Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

yes, microtonality appears in a lot of traditional music of countries not belonging to the Western culture, for example Indian and Arabian music

It does, and I love it! I like a lot of non Western classical music (eg Hindustani, Carnatic, Persian) and traditional music like Gamelan. One of my favourite albums from last year was from Eishan Ensemble, which fuses Persian classical music with jazz. It works incredibly well, because Persian classical music (like a lot of non-Western classical music) relies on improvisation as well as composition. Another favourite 2020 release, from the same record label, was from 3,14 who sought to combine Western and Eastern musical modes as a representation of the Silk Road, and at the same time, the Silk Moth that allowed the Silk Road trade to exist.

Itís pretty cool to see there is an increasing recognition of musical traditions beyond the conventional Western point of view, and a lot of Western bands are taking onboard some of the ideas (in a positive manner, rather than as appropriation or a gimmick, which has unfortunately often been the case on the past).

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Originally posted by nick_h_nz nick_h_nz wrote:

Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

It's between The Smiths and Duran Duran. The Smiths are running away with the votes, so I'll give the vote to Duran Duran.


I love Duran Duran, but Notorious is one of my least favourite albums from them. I think I always found it a bit disappointing. The Arcadia album that came next is far better, and the next DD album saw them back on track, and is probably my favourite DD album.

For me, Duran Duran are a band who have always flirted with prog - enough that someone like me would be happy to tag them with that label, but not enough for many others who find pop (prog or otherwise) to be anathema. When Duran Duran split in two, Arcadia were definitely the proggier half, and I'd love to have heard a second album.

But what an album! Provided you like Duran Duran, of course.... 😄

Apart from the DD trio of Simon, Nick and Roger, guest musicians with jazz-fusion and prog backgrounds included David Gilmour, Carlos Alomar, Andy Mackay, Herbie Hancock, David Van Tieghem, and Masami Tsuchiya.

It's also a brilliant lazy Summer Sunday soundtrack. 😍☀️

Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/album/45CkfLvmv7Aub6mFc7QwI8

(The above is the 2010 remaster, with additional tracks. I've not listened to the remaster, or any of those additional tracks, so can't comment on them....)

For the record, DD have in various interviews over the years stated their greatest influences were Roxy Music, Pink Floyd, Queen and Kraftwerk, it's fair to say prog was a big part of the band. I also think they are far greater musicians than most people give/gave them credit for - perhaps because the nature and image of their music was not seen as requiring great musicianship?



I agree. Andy & John Taylor in particular were underrated as musicians. Notorious isn't their best. I preferred the early albums, but I still enjoy it. It sounded powerful and fresh.

I've never really regarded them as progressive, more a good example of how pop music can be really good. A lot of those 'synth bands' of the early 80's, although emerging from the punk/new wave scene, grew up listening to some kind of progressive music. Certainly OMD, Human League were listeners of Kraftwerk, Eno etc. It was a good time for pop IMO. It was later in the 80's, when the soul diva's and boring R&B acts came to prominence in the charts that it all went to sh*t.
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Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

I've never really regarded them as progressive, more a good example of how pop music can be really good. A lot of those 'synth bands' of the early 80's, although emerging from the punk/new wave scene, grew up listening to some kind of progressive music. Certainly OMD, Human League were listeners of Kraftwerk, Eno etc. It was a good time for pop IMO. It was later in the 80's, when the soul diva's and boring R&B acts came to prominence in the charts that it all went to sh*t.
I think itís because I think of prog as being progressive (so, for me, a lot of prog bands arenít particularly prog at all, and a lot of non-prog bands exhibit a greater sense of progressive adventure. By progressive, I donít mean they need to find something new, so much as have a sense of musical adventure and experimentation. That what the bands of the classic prog band had. That they happened to be making something new was by the by.

In that sense, DD were always looking to progress and change their sound. Or even change it up, within one album. Their albums reveal a far greater depth than their singles (something that is often the case of a lot of bands). The sheer roster of talent on Arcadia was astounding, and largely overlooked at the time, and probably still now. And the band had as its members over time, not just the original talented musicians, but Zappa alumnus Warren Cuccurullo, and esteemed drummer Stirling Campbell.

Simon Le Bon mentioned in a recent documentary I saw, how the band looked a little to Bowie, for the way he would do what he wanted, regardless of what he had done previously, and regardless of whether he thought his audience would enjoy it. Their albums from Notorious onwards show this. The band knew Notorious would not be what their fans wanted, and they went ahead with it. Their record label wasnít happy with Notorious, and they went ahead with it. After their brief hiatus, rather than ďrectifyingĒ the ďaberrationĒ of Notorious, they went on to make Big Thing, which is a bloody fabulous album that hardly anyone bothered to listen to.

They pretty much had fallen out of relevance, and didnít really care, and just kept on making albums. Ordinary World put them back on the scene, but it was a bit of a fortunate accident, and is no reflection really of the album it was pulled from.

Thank You, which is absolutely my least favourite DD album is the band hav8ng fun off the back of the success of The Wedding Album. Itís almost the equivalent of ďsorry, not sorryĒ, but thank you, no thanks. Again, the band didnít expect it to go down well, and it didnít, but they didnít think theyíd have the opportunity to afford to be able to make that album otherwise, so they seized their chance. And they are still happy with the album themselves, regardless of what others think. In that respect they have actually beaten Bowie at his own game, as he tended to agree with critical opinion after the fact, even if it made his own views appear contrary (and sometimes almost hypocritical).

The best thing about the documentary was seeing how grounded and down to Earth the boys from Brum were and remain. For all the ostentatious finery and grandeur, they are just a bunch of friends out to make music that they enjoy. They can, and do, laugh at their failings and failures. They donít take themselves at all seriously. I think I just like their attitude, and that attitude is somewhere between punk and prog, even if their music isnít anywhere close to either.
 
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Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

Originally posted by rogerthat rogerthat wrote:

Albeit I don't like her piano playing quite as much as some of the greats like Herbie or Monty Williams. But that's OK. She doesn't have to be the best at everything. There's nothing she can't do on the B3 and that's before we get to her jaw dropping bass pedal prowess.

well, when she plays "piano" she actually still plays organ using MIDI-technology to get the piano sound. and here is where some limitations apply: on a real piano you have much more possibilities to control the dynamics of the playing (hence the original name of the piano which is "fortepiano" meaning "loud-quiet". on the predecessor of the piano, the harpsichord, you didn't have these dynamic possibilities). on the organ she only has the volume pedal for that, and since I am a piano player myself I can tell you this makes a lot of difference. this definitely limits her possibilities for expression when she plays "piano".

she also occasionally plays "vibraphone" or "trumpet" on her organ, and of course "acoustic bass" with the pedals

I think it's less the dynamics but that she continues to play fast when she switches to piano and I want to hear more of a percussive quality.  More about my preferences than her 'lack' of ability.  I wouldn't dare suggest she of all musicians lacks for chops.  I love her 'vibe' playing of course.  Never heard the trumpet sound, wow.
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Originally posted by triptych triptych wrote:


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Iíll go with Queen. Last album of theirs I enjoyed.
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Originally posted by HolyMoly HolyMoly wrote:

Iíll go with Queen. Last album of theirs I enjoyed.

really?! because Innuendo (1991) is much better IMO. Have you listened to it? 
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Originally posted by HolyMoly HolyMoly wrote:

Iíll go with Queen. Last album of theirs I enjoyed.

Interesting, as itís hardly an impressive album (and I say that as a Queen fan). It has some quite awesome songs, and some absolute crap. I would rate The Miracle as a better album, just because it has far greater consistency. It doesnít have the high points of Magic, but nor does it have the low points. And Innuendo is probably their best album not from the Ď70s.

A few years ago, after reading a Classic Rock article ranking Queenís albums, I figured I'd decide on my own ranking. My ranking ended up not that dissimilar to Classic Rock's, especially towards the "worst" end. I disagree more with Classic Rock, when it comes to the "best".

15. Hot Space (14 by Classic Rock)
I'm sure people like it, but it's not for me. At all.

14. Made in Heaven (15 CR)
I was incredibly disappointed when I first heard this, as it was hyped to be something more than it ended up. It has some good songs, but it doesn't flow as an album, and the songs are obviously plucked from different points in time. Putting a Queen backing track to a Freddy solo track does not make a Queen song. I don't dislike anything on here, but it's hardly a Queen album. I can see why Classic Rock listed this as their worst album, and if I liked Hot Space more, or disliked the remodelled tracks on this more, I would agree.

13. Flash (13 CR)
It's not bad, per se, but as Classic Rock points out, it falls somewhat flat without the visuals to accompany the instrumentation. Some soundtracks are good enough to stand on their own. This isn't. The title track though is, of course, pure gold.

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12. The Game (12 CR)
The first album not to have the "no synths" tag, and the first of the more mainstream and commercial sounding Queen.

11. The Works (8 CR)
A triumphant return to form after the horror (to my ears) of Hot Space.

10. A Kind of Magic (11 CR)
It was hard to decide whether to place this below or above The Miracle. I probably like the good songs on this more than I do the good songs on The Miracle - but the bad songs on this are far worse. For (lack of) consistency alone, this gets the lower position.

9. The Miracle (10 CR)
A comeback album of sorts, despite being only three years after the last album. More uniformly good than A Kind of Magic, but while that means the low points aren't as low, nor are the high points as high. Still, in retrospect, knowing now what we know of Freddy's health, this really is a remarkable album.

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8. Jazz (4 CR)
Again, it was hard to decide whether to place this below or above the next album - this time, News of the World. Lack of consistency is probably once more what keeps this in the lower position.

7. News of the World (7 CR)
An album so much more than the two most well-known songs. The only song I don't particularly like is Get Down Make Love - but this is only on the album. I like it when it is performed live, which goes to show it is still a good song - merely that I don't like this studio recording.

6. Innuendo (9 CR)
How to go out with a bang. Again, retrospectively, this album is so much greater than it seemed at the time. The title track is tremendous, and it's hard not to read a lot into Days of our Lives. The Show Must Go On is triumphant. This really is the only album from Queen's latter days which can be compared with their earlier albums. It still doesn't reach those dizzy heights, but it is infinitely closer than anything else from the '80s or '90s.

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5. A Night at the Opera (1 CR)
I can't help but feel that this was placed at #1 by CR because of "that song". Admittedly, this is a fantastic album, and has some of my favourite songs on it - but I can't help think that ADATR refined the formula, and made a better album because of it. There are clear comparisons between the two albums, and you can almost identify which song on one album is the equivalent of one on the other - but ADATR has better consistency and flow.

4. A Day at the Races (5 CR)
As per above.

3. Sheer Heart Attack (3 CR)
An explosive start with Brighton Rock. The killer song everyone knows with Killer Queen. The exquisite 1,2,3 of Tenement Funster, Flick of the Wrist and Lily of the Valley. The belting Now I'm Here. Back in the days of album sides, side one is incredible! Side two is a little less cohesive, but every song is still wonderful, and the last two songs are perfect.

2. Queen (2 CR)
A million miles away from where Queen ended up, this hard rocking debut is still one of my favourite Queen albums, and includes some of my favourite Queen songs.

1. Queen II (6 CR)
I can't quite believe that Classic Rock rated this as low as six. Barring Greatest Hits, this was the first Queen album I actually bought, and it was nothing like what I expected. The whole idea of having a white side and a black side (instead of sides one and two) appealed to me, and with each side having a Queen of the appropriate colour. The March of the Black Queen is probably my favourite Queen song, but so much of this album is great. I love the songs. I love the way the songs segue together, and the suite this creates on the black side.

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