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Originally posted by JD JD wrote:

Originally posted by nick_h_nz nick_h_nz wrote:

I know someone who organizes their collection by record label, which is arguably even crazier than organizing by genre. 🤔

(Sorry, I did some spelling corrections)

This would probably still require the sub division of artist-title-year etc. I would think.
Every sorting hat will require some sort of sub sections

I don’t use American English, so it is not a correction so much as a change - but whatever floats your boat. Odd, though, as I thought Canadians tended not to use American English spellings? Do you write colour or color? 🤔

But otherwise, I’m not sure what you’re getting at. As you say, every form of organisation (or organization?🤷🏻‍♂️) requires a certain degree of sub-sections.

But alphabetising, and then sub-sections within the alphabetising is the simplest form. (Alphabetizing? How often do ‘s’s get changed to ‘z’ in American English?)

As soon are you are organising by any other method, chances are you’re going to be alphabetising at some point within, and then the same sub-sections those that alphabetising will still exist, but now they will be sub-sub-sections. Or something.

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I was in a silly mood evidently and did the same thing:

  1. Jazz rock/Fusion: 50
    Brand X (7), The Brecker Brothers (1), Bruford (3), Centipede (1), Billy Cobham (1), Miles Davis (5), Dedalus (1), Farmers Market (1), Herbie Hancock (2), Hiromi Uehara (1), Allan Holdsworth (1), Mahavishnu Orchestra (3), Al Di Meola (6), Jaco Pastorius (1), Jean-Luc Ponty (6), Return To Forever (4), Squarepusher (2), Weather Report (3), The Tony Williams Lifetime (1)
  2. Symphonic prog: 49
    Camel (7), Emerson, Lake & Palmer (9), Focus (2), Genesis (15), Kaipa (1), Kansas (1), The Nice (1), Rick Wakeman (1), Yes (10)
  3. RIO/Avant-prog: 36
    Ahleuchatistas (1), Fred Frith (1), Geinoh Yamashirogumi (1), Henry Cow (4), Henry Kaiser (1), Mr. Bungle (3), Naked City (1), Rascal Reporters (1), Salle Gaveau (2), U Totem (1), Wha-Ha-Ha (1), Yowie (1), Frank Zappa (17), John Zorn (1)
  4. Canterbury Scene: 35
    Egg (3), Gilgamesh (3), Gong (3), Hatfield And The North (2), Steve Hillage (1), Hugh Hopper (1), National Health (5), Quiet Sun (1), Soft Machine (12), Supersister (2), Robert Wyatt (2)
  5. Eclectic prog: 29
    Adrian Belew (2), Bubblemath (1), Robert Fripp (3), Gentle Giant (8), Steve Hackett (2), Happy The Man (1), King Crimson (17), Storm Corrosion (1), UK (1), Van Der Graaf Generator (1)
  6. Crossover prog: 22
    Tony Banks (2), Electric Light Orchestra (3), Keith Emerson (1), Peter Gabriel (3), The Moody Blues (1), Nine Inch Nails (5), Mike Oldfield (4), Radiohead (2), Supertramp (1)
  7. Psychedelic/Space rock: 18
    Ozric Tentacles (2), Pink Floyd (16)
  8. Heavy prog: 6
    Atomic Rooster (1), Rush (5)
  9. Rock progressivo Italiano: 6
    Area (3), Premiata Forneria Marconi (3)
  10. Post-rock/Math rock: 3
    Aiming For Enrike (1), Nuito (1), Tera Melos (1)
  11. Progressive electronic: 3
    Brian Eno (2), Tangerine Dream (1)
  12. Krautrock: 2
    Can (1), Popol Vuh (1)
  13. Prog folk: 2
    Jethro Tull (2)
  14. Zeuhl: 2
    Magma (1), Ruins (1)
Total: 263
(I forwent the proto-prog and prog-related categories because it became a little too tedious to constantly have to look up which artists are deemed progressive enough to be listed on this site)
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Good Lord, this is worrying. I’m starting to feel the urge to attempt this myself..... 😱

[EDIT] For the record, no re-organising of my collection. That shall always be alphabetical. But merely interest to see how much I listen to from each of the PA “genres”. The likelihood is, I hope, that after a good night’s sleep this madness will have left my mind. 



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Prog: 2000 albums. Not prog: 3000 albums. There, catalogued.
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Originally posted by Mirakaze Mirakaze wrote:

I was in a silly mood evidently and did the same thing:

  1. Jazz rock/Fusion: 50
    Brand X (7), The Brecker Brothers (1), Bruford (3), Centipede (1), Billy Cobham (1), Miles Davis (5), Dedalus (1), Farmers Market (1), Herbie Hancock (2), Hiromi Uehara (1), Allan Holdsworth (1), Mahavishnu Orchestra (3), Al Di Meola (6), Jaco Pastorius (1), Jean-Luc Ponty (6), Return To Forever (4), Squarepusher (2), Weather Report (3), The Tony Williams Lifetime (1)
  2. Symphonic prog: 49
    Camel (7), Emerson, Lake & Palmer (9), Focus (2), Genesis (15), Kaipa (1), Kansas (1), The Nice (1), Rick Wakeman (1), Yes (10)
  3. RIO/Avant-prog: 36
    Ahleuchatistas (1), Fred Frith (1), Geinoh Yamashirogumi (1), Henry Cow (4), Henry Kaiser (1), Mr. Bungle (3), Naked City (1), Rascal Reporters (1), Salle Gaveau (2), U Totem (1), Wha-Ha-Ha (1), Yowie (1), Frank Zappa (17), John Zorn (1)
  4. Canterbury Scene: 35
    Egg (3), Gilgamesh (3), Gong (3), Hatfield And The North (2), Steve Hillage (1), Hugh Hopper (1), National Health (5), Quiet Sun (1), Soft Machine (12), Supersister (2), Robert Wyatt (2)
  5. Eclectic prog: 29
    Adrian Belew (2), Bubblemath (1), Robert Fripp (3), Gentle Giant (8), Steve Hackett (2), Happy The Man (1), King Crimson (17), Storm Corrosion (1), UK (1), Van Der Graaf Generator (1)
  6. Crossover prog: 22
    Tony Banks (2), Electric Light Orchestra (3), Keith Emerson (1), Peter Gabriel (3), The Moody Blues (1), Nine Inch Nails (5), Mike Oldfield (4), Radiohead (2), Supertramp (1)
  7. Psychedelic/Space rock: 18
    Ozric Tentacles (2), Pink Floyd (16)
  8. Heavy prog: 6
    Atomic Rooster (1), Rush (5)
  9. Rock progressivo Italiano: 6
    Area (3), Premiata Forneria Marconi (3)
  10. Post-rock/Math rock: 3
    Aiming For Enrike (1), Nuito (1), Tera Melos (1)
  11. Progressive electronic: 3
    Brian Eno (2), Tangerine Dream (1)
  12. Krautrock: 2
    Can (1), Popol Vuh (1)
  13. Prog folk: 2
    Jethro Tull (2)
  14. Zeuhl: 2
    Magma (1), Ruins (1)
Total: 263
(I forwent the proto-prog and prog-related categories because it became a little too tedious to constantly have to look up which artists are deemed progressive enough to be listed on this site)
I'm jealous now. You have several artists on your list that I wish I had in my CD collection too. Thumbs Up
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Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Prog: 2000 albums. Not prog: 3000 albums. There, catalogued.
 
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Originally posted by nick_h_nz nick_h_nz wrote:

Originally posted by JD JD wrote:

Originally posted by nick_h_nz nick_h_nz wrote:

I know someone who organizes their collection by record label, which is arguably even crazier than organizing by genre. 🤔

(Sorry, I did some spelling corrections)

This would probably still require the sub division of artist-title-year etc. I would think.
Every sorting hat will require some sort of sub sections

I don’t use American English, so it is not a correction so much as a change - but whatever floats your boat. Odd, though, as I thought Canadians tended not to use American English spellings? Do you write colour or color? 🤔


Colour
Favour etc.

But funny thing, now that you pointed it out, organizing is the only instance of this spelling I think I use. Alphabetising is the way I would have written it as well. I don't know where I get that. Must be from my project management training.
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I keep a spreadsheet, cataloguing by Artist, with counts of albums for each artist. 

My goal was to reach 1000 Prog/Prog related albums by the end of 2020..   Which I did! (by acquiring tracks from The Nice-- The Thoughts of Emerlist Davjack on Dec. 30).

But, admittedly, for about a quarter of my collection, I don't have the entire album, just sample tracks from an album: usually 2-3.  Plus a handful of albums I once had are lost, so it ain't really quite 1000, but I'm happy at least that's what it says now in my totals column.



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This thread reminds me of that scene from High Fidelity. Admittedly, shamefully, I'll state that I only have about roughly 1,000 CDs and albums (not even in the same league as many of you folks, assuredly). Still, the prospect and task of cataloging them is daunting. Every time some well-meaning friend asks me to borrow something, I'm stuck with sifting through boxes in some mad search for the item which takes time. Then there are the jarring verbal blows from the wife while engaged in the effort (she just doesn't understand). I can see quite clearly why some decide to back up their collections on computer and then sell them off. A truly viable alternative.
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Originally posted by Rednight Rednight wrote:

This thread reminds me of that scene from High Fidelity. Admittedly, shamefully, I'll state that I only have about roughly 1,000 CDs and albums (not even in the same league as many of you folks, assuredly). Still, the prospect and task of cataloging them is daunting. Every time some well-meaning friend asks me to borrow something, I'm stuck with sifting through boxes in some mad search for the item which takes time. Then there are the jarring verbal blows from the wife while engaged in the effort (she just doesn't understand). I can see quite clearly why some decide to back up their collections on computer and then sell them off. A truly viable alternative.
 
3,000 CD's are relatively easy to catalogue compared to the 16,000 artists and 80,000 album covers stored on my laptop. Smile
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Originally posted by Rednight Rednight wrote:

This thread reminds me of that scene from High Fidelity. Admittedly, shamefully, I'll state that I only have about roughly 1,000 CDs and albums (not even in the same league as many of you folks, assuredly). Still, the prospect and task of cataloging them is daunting. Every time some well-meaning friend asks me to borrow something, I'm stuck with sifting through boxes in some mad search for the item which takes time. Then there are the jarring verbal blows from the wife while engaged in the effort (she just doesn't understand). I can see quite clearly why some decide to back up their collections on computer and then sell them off. A truly viable alternative.

The amount of times I have thought of backing up to hard drive and selling off my CDs, I couldn’t count on my hands and feet. I just can’t bring myself to make that one final step - even though in so many ways, it makes so much sense.

After moving from NZ to the UK, my collection for quite some time lived in boxes, so I understand that agony. I eventually made a purchase of one of The Wizard rotating floor to ceiling shelving units I saw advertised in the back pages of Prog magazine. I love being able to get to almost all my collection so easily, and instead of boxes in a spare bedroom, my collection is now in a corner of the living room. (Good thing, too, as since then we’ve had more children, and there are no more spare bedrooms....)
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^ My only concern with that style of holder is the possibility of CD's flying off as I rotate it.I know it's a low probability but luck is not my friend sometimes.
Here's what I use, they sit nicely against the wall as you can see. Each row holds about 65 single Jewel cases, give or take. the overflow goes into cut down photocopy boxes that you can just see on the shelves in the upper RH corner of the picture.
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Oh my goodness, no. I think that would be an impossibility. It’s so bloody heavy to move, that you’d struggle to move it around fast enough for the discs to even move a little, let alone fly off the shelves. Even empty, it doesn’t turn quickly, though it does turn very smoothly and easily. In terms of (not) taking up space, I highly recommend it.
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Storage has always been an ongoing issue. I've been thinking about getting a similar rotating tower that holds 1600 CDs. Right now I'm using a six-drawer dresser, a double-wide tower, and a single tower. The rotating tower would shrink the amount of space being taken by the dresser as it's 2 feet square. I could get two towers with the freed up space. Still thinking about it.

I'm also dealing with having more books than shelving. I believe I have about 1200 books to deal with. I might go with an IKEA solution for this. They're taller by an entire shelf and wider than what I currently have. Their shelving seems sturdier than the cheap fiberboard bookcases I now have. Some of the shelves are starting to sag in the middle.
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Been meaning to do this for a while so gave me a good excuse. I've used PA's genre classifications which don't always make sense in the real world (Black Sabbath Prog Related versus Heavy Metal?). My collection is just north of 2000 albums of which around 1600 are 'prog' by those definitions. I limited the band list to top 5 max.

1. Avant - 553
Art Zoyd (21), Henry Cow (15), Univers Zero (13), Miriodor (10), Uz Jsme Doma (10)
2. Eclectic - 145
King Crimson (30), Van Der Graaf Generator (9), Gentle Giant (8), Djam Kharet (7), Gosta Berlings Saga (6)
3. Jazz Rock/Fusion - 125
elephant9 (7), Jaga Jazzist (6), Forgas Band Phenomena (4), Ghost Rhythms (4), Mahavishnu Orchestra (4)
4. Crossover - 102
Mike Oldfield (16), Radiohead (9), Bent Knee (7), Knifeworld (4), Supertramp (4)
5. Electronic - 84
Tangerine Dream (14), Steve Roach (10), Klaus Schulze (8), Radio Massacre International (7), Richard Pinhas (4)
6. Canterbury - 82
Soft Machine (10), Gong (8), Caravan (5), National Health (5), The Muffins (5)
7. Zeuhl - 81
Magma (12), Scherzoo (5), Koenji Hyakkei (4), Unit Wail (4), Eskaton (3)
8. Folk Prog - 74
Jethro Tull (12), Dead Can Dance (7), Jack O The Clock (6), Roy Harper (5), North Sea Radio Orchestra (5)
9. Psyche/Space - 66
Pink Floyd (14), Hawkwind (8), Ozric Tentacles (6), Aquaserge (4), The Future Kings Of England (4)
10. Prog Related - 61
Black Sabbath (10), Jean Michel Jarre (8), Led Zeppelin (8), David Gilmour (5), Muse (5)
11. Symphonic - 58
Yes (6), Genesis (6), Camel (5), Echolyn (5), Anglagard (4)
12. Krautrock - 35
CAN (7), Amon Duul II (5), Popol Vuh (5), Ashra Tempel (3), Faust (3)
13. Post Rock - 34
Sigur Ros (7), Godspeed You! Black Emporer (5), Tortoise (3), God Is An Astronaut (2), Bohren & Der Club Of Gore (2)
14. Heavy - 32
Porcupine Tree (5), Rush (5), A Formal Horse (4), Hedvig Mollestad (4), Uriah Heap (3)
15. Italian - 15
Banco del Mutuo Soccorso(3), Premiata Forneria Marconi (3), Area (2)
16. Post Metal - 14
Tool (4), Gordian Knot (2), Unexpect (2)
17. Extreme Prog Metal - 12
Animals As Leaders (3), Behold The Arctopus (3)
18. Prog Metal - 12
Diablo Swing Orchestra (4), Ephemeral Sun (3), Liquid Tension Experiment (2)
19. Neo - 9
Asturias (5), Sanguine Hum (2)
20. Math Rock - 8
Battles (3), Don Caballero (3)
21. Proto Prog - 8
Deep Purple (8)
22. Indo Raga - 3
Third Ear Band (3)

Top country wise it looks like (total collection):-
England (585), USA (547), France (204), Multi National (111), Germany (81), Belgium (70), Canada (59), Sweden (51), Italy (44), Norway (40), Switzerland (37), Japan (31), Australia (25), Russia (21), Mexico (20, Spain (16), Finland (13), Czech Rep (10)

By Decade (whole collection)
50's - 9, 60's - 32, 70's - 439, 80's - 175, 90's - 193, 00's - 393, 10's - 729, 20's - 76






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Hi,

I'll catalog my stuff sometime after I'm long gone and my ashes are spread to the waters in a lake.

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I was really surprised I had as many as 565 CD albums categorised as prog on ProgArchives, because when I counted the actual number of CD albums stored on my Prog-Rock rack, it only numbered around 180 albums. Smile
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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

I was really surprised I had as many as 565 CD albums categorised as prog on ProgArchives, because when I counted the actual number of CD albums stored on my Prog-Rock rack, it only numbered around 180 albums. Smile

You looked up 565 CDs to see if they were on PA or not? Don't forget PA includes a number of artists who I have a fair number of albums by but would never catalogue under "prog" - Kate Bush and Led Zep to name but two.
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Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

I was really surprised I had as many as 565 CD albums categorised as prog on ProgArchives, because when I counted the actual number of CD albums stored on my Prog-Rock rack, it only numbered around 180 albums. Smile

You looked up 565 CDs to see if they were on PA or not? Don't forget PA includes a number of artists who I have a fair number of albums by but would never catalogue under "prog" - Kate Bush and Led Zep to name but two.

Well with PA's tagging you only need to check the band rather than album, so all Jethro Tull's albums are Folk Prog, all Gong's albums are Canterbury. I checked every band in my cataloguing, you also have those Prog Related bands like Led Zep & Sabbath where I'd have them in Metal.
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