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    Posted: March 13 2021 at 12:06
Hi all, I've just joined the forum so please excuse me if I get anything wrong. Just to mention the London Prog Gigs group on Facebook; not much has happened over the last year but with gigs expected to return soon, we have the most comprehensive gig listings for prog and prog-related events in the London area, plus some friendly chat https://www.facebook.com/groups/LondonProgGigs
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there's a September gig at Cafe Oto with the Henry Cow related bands Jump For Joy, The Watts, Yumi Hara.
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Hi,

I'm willing to bet that these won't go off as the City won't allow permits for them. 

However, if they did their thing and had it filmed/video'd for streaming directly ... it would work ... but I don't think there are enough bands wanting to do something different yet ... everyone seems to be dead set on getting into a hall with hundreds and thousands of other folks, and I'm thinking that is still a year or two away ... rock music needs to stop the adoration for this live thing ... and get on to the music and something more direct to the fans ... the old thing is likely gone for a while.

AND, finally, the last thing we want is a progressive bunch of folks being accused of being a bunch of turds and spreading the damn lurgi even more! We can't be that sick and ugly!

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The industry is optimistic that the end of lockdown date of 21st June announced by the Government is firm, and if so, no permits will be required.  We'll see. 

You obviously prefer recorded music, which is fine and you're probably in the majority; however a substantial number of folk still like live music, which is what my Facebook group caters for. Personally though I'm also not keen on gigs with 'thousands of other folks; I far prefer small venues of around 100 people maximum. Which is normal in the prog genre, to be honest :-)

And the 'prog' demographic tend to be 50+ so will all be 'double-jabbed' before anyone else!
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Originally posted by LondonProgGigs LondonProgGigs wrote:

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You obviously prefer recorded music, which is fine and you're probably in the majority; however a substantial number of folk still like live music, which is what my Facebook group caters for. Personally though I'm also not keen on gigs with 'thousands of other folks; I far prefer small venues of around 100 people maximum. Which is normal in the prog genre, to be honest :-)
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Hi,

Incorrect, actually. What matters to me is not live or Memorex ... it is THE MUSIC.

We've gotten ourselves into a thinking more than seems to suggest that "live" is way better than "Memorex", and I have seen it from the both sides, and there is no way of telling ... but the idea that we have to be in the same room to enjoy music, is preposterous and in this day of the crazy pandemic, something that is likely to be dangerous. 

The date may be "firm", but I'll bet you that there will be several restrictions and more of this and that which will cut down the ability to put together a show as you would like.

I appreciate the artist, and 9 out of 10 times, as a person and musician is much more important to me than the media and stage sensation ... and as such, while I was guilty of wanting to see a few bands, coming with it ... was something not as nice and neat for the music!

1. Babe Ruth put on a great show at the Whiskey, but the fan boys were there for Iggy and the Stooges. Saddest thing I ever saw ... they put on a massive great show. I walked out before 20 minutes of Iggy and the Stooges!

2. PF at the Sports Arena. 700+ people got busted at the door BEFORE the concert and during the concert (The Wall) there were narks removing folks from the audience right during the show ... sickest poop I ever saw.

3. International Progressive Music Fest 1999 (SF). Lana Lane and the Rocket Scientists opened the whole thing and put on the most professional and clean show I have seen in decades. Only for folks to leave saying that it wasn't prog, but too much metal ... they deserved a lot better.

4. Damo Suzuki solo in Portland. I can't dislike this guy but before the show he was "meeting" the fans and having a cigarette, and he would not talk. I can handle an actor concentrating or working on his concentration, but you would not do that next to many fans, that wanted to shake your hand and all that. He put on a mailed in show, that was ... average ... at best. 

5. The worst? In Chicago during the worst days (late 60's) ... one band did NOT show up to the show (they were famous for being late!!!) ... and instead we got the police coming down the street with clubs in their hands. It wasn't fun running for your life.

In general, I got to see many things, Tangerine Dream 4 times from the first American Tour on, Hawkwind and Man, Nektar, Gong (toured and took pics with them on my website), Alan Stivell, and a few of the better known within the progressive/prog list.

Saddest show? YES at the Long Beach Arena in 1972 doing TFTO ... in its entirety. It was magnificent ... but the audience was rude and only "woke" up for the 2nd part of the show that started with CTTE. I left ... I cried going out because it was not about the music ... and the folks in the audience only wanted the hits, and to fudge up anything else ... the artist was "no more" ... it was now about the hits! 

And lastly ... the famous Anaheim Show where Roger got upset at fans and swore at them ... not to mention that on one other show he was upset because too many fans were getting stoned instead of getting into the music!

There are times, when "live" is not worth it ... but I will tell you that I do not regret seeing one guitarist live ... that was incredible ... Stevie Ray Vaughn ... and on that night I doubt anyone could touch his universe! Many of these are on video, though I'm not sure they are all his "best".

And finally ... you don't go to see Mozart or Beethoven because it is live. You go to see it because you LOVE THE MUSIC ... and this is all I'm saying ... 


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Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Hi,

I'm willing to bet that these won't go off as the City won't allow permits for them. 

However, if they did their thing and had it filmed/video'd for streaming directly ... it would work ... but I don't think there are enough bands wanting to do something different yet ... everyone seems to be dead set on getting into a hall with hundreds and thousands of other folks, and I'm thinking that is still a year or two away ... rock music needs to stop the adoration for this live thing ... and get on to the music and something more direct to the fans ... the old thing is likely gone for a while.

AND, finally, the last thing we want is a progressive bunch of folks being accused of being a bunch of turds and spreading the damn lurgi even more! We can't be that sick and ugly!

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It's less about music lovers missing out, but venues having to permanently close, and musicians not having any income or exposure. Most artists don't make any money from their recorded work, and rely on live work for income. Streaming etc is no substitute for the real thing.

No one wants to be spreading disease of course, but Covid 19 is with us permanently now, and will be managed with vaccines and maybe annual boosters. At some point, we're just going to have to get on with it. Not a popular view, I know, but there is actually no alternative. Western populations will reject constant or frequent lockdowns, probably violently.
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Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Hi,

I'm willing to bet that these won't go off as the City won't allow permits for them. 

However, if they did their thing and had it filmed/video'd for streaming directly ... it would work ... but I don't think there are enough bands wanting to do something different yet ... everyone seems to be dead set on getting into a hall with hundreds and thousands of other folks, and I'm thinking that is still a year or two away ... rock music needs to stop the adoration for this live thing ... and get on to the music and something more direct to the fans ... the old thing is likely gone for a while.

AND, finally, the last thing we want is a progressive bunch of folks being accused of being a bunch of turds and spreading the damn lurgi even more! We can't be that sick and ugly!

Tongue


It's less about music lovers missing out, but venues having to permanently close, and musicians not having any income or exposure. Most artists don't make any money from their recorded work, and rely on live work for income. Streaming etc is no substitute for the real thing.

No one wants to be spreading disease of course, but Covid 19 is with us permanently now, and will be managed with vaccines and maybe annual boosters. At some point, we're just going to have to get on with it. Not a popular view, I know, but there is actually no alternative. Western populations will reject constant or frequent lockdowns, probably violently.

I've been to a few "gigs" over the last 12 months i.e. where the artist has performed "live" and streamed it on a pay per view basis. It's good as it enables them to get some income but as Andy says it doesn't help the venues or the people working there and it's no substitute for the real thing (the only advantage is it doesn't take long to get home after the gig). 
I suspect when all adults have been vaccinated we will be able to return to normal gigs but I'm not sure the mosh pit will survive (not that I'd ever be in one at my age anyway).


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