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There’s just something about drummers that rely on feel in order to groove opposed to click-connoisseurs that go mad if they don’t have that mechanical tightness, where everything is on beat and interchangeable.
Somebody should explain to those guys that the real deal - the genuinely interesting bits - comes from knowing when NOT to be on beat and when to speed things up or conversely slow things down. In the end it’s a band thing, a conversation, and you simply can’t get that from, granted, insanely gifted modern musicians playing in their individual phoneboothes.
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Originally posted by Spaciousmind Spaciousmind wrote:

Originally posted by Guldbamsen Guldbamsen wrote:


Btw Moon the loon, Bonzo and Paice are some of my absolute favourite drummers. I miss that kind of ‘feel’ in most of modern music.

I agree, where ever you place them, you can't replace their greatness or should I say uniqueness?


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Christian Burchard of Embryo. Here an example of his drumming:


Christian Vander of Magma:


Freddy Setz of Aera and Roman Bunka:


Jacky Bouladoux, drummer of Clearlight and Christian Boulé (among many others); he also jammed with Jaco Pastorius:








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Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

I think Barriemore Barlow is seriously underrated because of the way Ian Anderson composed songs which required Barlow to adapt a more symphonic method of drum style and not the usual rock method. This is evident in a song like "Hunting Girl":

But for more RAWK drumming, check out Barlow's amazing double kick drum footwork on "Minstrel in the Gallery" starting at 2:27:

Barlow is one of the three best drummers Tull had, along with the late Mark Craney and Doane Perry (who got to show us what's he made of in concert).

Barlow was integral to the '70s Tull sound. I can't imagine those albums without his playing.
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Three drummers I feel / recognizes as often overlooked yet wonderfully skilled drummers are the three drummers of Gentle Giant but late Martin Smitt, whom did the two first, whom was the most jazzy and sponatinos drummer , just check hes style on Alucard or the House the Street, the Room, and Malcolm Mortimore, a round house drummer, flexible, recently been in Three Friends band, and lomgest playing drummer with GG, John 'Pugwash' Weathers, i just love hes complex drumming, master of intricate syncopation, no bullsh$@#, very hard to explaine hes drumming with uneducated words.

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Originally posted by BrufordFreak BrufordFreak wrote:

I've been reading tons of previous (sometimes ancient) threads about prog drummers. To my uneducated ears, the most impressive drummers I've ever heard from the "Classic Era" of prog include:

Billy Cobham
Tony Williams
Giulio Capiozzo
Bill Bruford
Lenny White
Steve Gadd 
Phil Collins
Carl Palmer
Pierre Moerlen
Narada Michael Walden
Michael Shrieve

If you have others that you think I should hear or appreciate, could/would you please offer specific examples/songs of their play to help me to better appreciate them? 

There's Triumvirat, and their first four albums with drummer Hans Bathelt. Their 3rd & 4th, Spartacus and Old Loves Die Hard, are their best, IMO.

If you're at all familiar with Passport, their drummer was Curt Cress. Here's Curt as bandleader.
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HORACEE ARNOLD.

Horacee – drums, percussion
Jan Hammer – Moog, electric piano
Rick Laird – bass
John Abercrombie – electric guitar
David Friedman – vibes
Sonny Fortune – sax, flute 
Ralph Towner – 12-string guitar
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Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by BrufordFreak BrufordFreak wrote:

I've been reading tons of previous (sometimes ancient) threads about prog drummers. To my uneducated ears, the most impressive drummers I've ever heard from the "Classic Era" of prog include:

Billy Cobham
Tony Williams
Giulio Capiozzo
Bill Bruford
Lenny White
Steve Gadd 
Phil Collins
Carl Palmer
Pierre Moerlen
Narada Michael Walden
Michael Shrieve

If you have others that you think I should hear or appreciate, could/would you please offer specific examples/songs of their play to help me to better appreciate them? 

There's Triumvirat, and their first four albums with drummer Hans Bathelt. Their 3rd & 4th, Spartacus and Old Loves Die Hard, are their best, IMO.

If you're at all familiar with Passport, their drummer was Curt Cress. Here's Curt as bandleader.




The drummer on the first album of Passport was Udo Lindenberg, who later became very famous in Germany, but as a singer, not a drummer. He also played on the solo album of Jean-Jacques Kravetz.


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Originally posted by Spaciousmind Spaciousmind wrote:

It really hurts to see Keith Moon, John Bonham or Ian Paice missing of a list like this.  Wondering what criteria could exclude them in the period mentioned.  Progressive Rock?  You only have to back and read up the old music papers and their lists to know who was considered top.


Perhaps for those who usually check out sites and lists from the prog scene and with prog fans, because we won't usually see them. But I guess it's actually a bit of fresh air, because on any other rock site they will usually be mentioned... and I'd be surprised if there was any such list that doesn't have Bonham at number 1. Any of those classic prog fans who have some apreciation for drummers should do themselves a favor and check out these other drummers.
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Originally posted by Guldbamsen Guldbamsen wrote:

 
I guess you could break it down like that...but Aynsley was basically a studio musician that happened to play on a lot of prog albums. I personally think of him as the finest drummer with Zappa. I also adore his playing on Lou Reed’s sole prog album Berlin. Pierre Moerlen’s work in Gong is some of the finest drumming ever featured on any pork album imho.
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Well said ... with one issue ... the poster is not a good listener to bands and players that were not "listed" as superior. And many have not given Moerlin, Neumeier, Vander, Liebezeit a good enough listen to really make their ideal about "prog drummers" ... and to not consider most in your list as a part of it ... just tells you what the listener ever gave his attention to!

This is, for me, the saddest part of a lot of these posts!

Originally posted by Guldbamsen Guldbamsen wrote:

 
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A weird analogy: I think The Doors was one of the most progressive bands of the late 60s..and they certainly played rock from time to time, but I don’t think of them as a prog band either. I guess it’s just a matter of stickers in the end
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I'm not sure that their music can stand a "progressive" or "prog" written by someone that is not interested and has not appreciated (what I call) "cinematic music" ... complete with lyrics, instead of insipid music with banal lyrics telling them what it is supposed to be about!

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Btw Moon the loon, Bonzo and Paice are some of my absolute favorite drummers. I miss that kind of ‘feel’ in most of modern music.

Not sure I would include Paice with the others, but he's fine for me. And, yes ... it is the FEEL that is missing, and the small and better "accents" to help the music be better designed and played ... for that matter, I would DEFINITELY include Carl Palmer here as well.
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Of those not mentioned yet I just love:
Michael Giles work on first two King Crimson albums
Andy McCulloch for his work on King Crimson "Lizard" (his Greenslade work was nice too)
Robert Wyatt for his work on Soft Machine "4" especialy his imaginative cymbals only fest lasting for a few minutes :)
John Densmore for his ability to illustarate (in rather theatrical way) Jim's poetry on the spot
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Nobody yet has mentioned Guy Evans of Van der Graaf Generator.
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Some favourite drummers, any genre:
Ringo Starr
Keith Moon
Ian Paice
Alex Riel (The Savage Rose, Sebastian's band, and lots of jazz)
John Densmore
Jaki Liebezeit
Maureen Tucker (The Velvet Underground)
Topper Headon (The Clash)
Tony Allen
Bo Thrige Andersen (Burnin' Red Ivanhoe)
Helen Wiggin (The Shaggs) (!)
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Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

Originally posted by Spaciousmind Spaciousmind wrote:

It really hurts to see Keith Moon, John Bonham or Ian Paice missing of a list like this.  Wondering what criteria could exclude them in the period mentioned.  Progressive Rock?  You only have to back and read up the old music papers and their lists to know who was considered top.
 

Bill Ward also, wonderful chops.
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Originally posted by Artik Artik wrote:

Of those not mentioned yet I just love:
Michael Giles work on first two King Crimson albums
Andy McCulloch for his work on King Crimson "Lizard" (his Greenslade work was nice too)
Robert Wyatt for his work on Soft Machine "4" especialy his imaginative cymbals only fest lasting for a few minutes :)
John Densmore for his ability to illustarate (in rather theatrical way) Jim's poetry on the spot

John Densmore is a very underrated drummer. He has a jazz background, and you can clearly hear it in many songs of The Doors.


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Originally posted by Spaciousmind Spaciousmind wrote:

It really hurts to see Keith Moon, John Bonham or Ian Paice missing of a list like this.  Wondering what criteria could exclude them in the period mentioned.  Progressive Rock?  You only have to back and read up the old music papers and their lists to know who was considered top.

Moon is a bit of an oddity, I've never been able to answer the question about whether he's a good drummer or not. He's all over the place yet somehow it all works and you can't imagine those Who albums without him.
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Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Originally posted by Spaciousmind Spaciousmind wrote:

It really hurts to see Keith Moon, John Bonham or Ian Paice missing of a list like this.  Wondering what criteria could exclude them in the period mentioned.  Progressive Rock?  You only have to back and read up the old music papers and their lists to know who was considered top.

Moon is a bit of an oddity, I've never been able to answer the question about whether he's a good drummer or not. He's all over the place yet somehow it all works and you can't imagine those Who albums without him.

It's his live performances that got me convinced that he has to be a mad genius.  I particularly love watching the 1970 Isle of Wight Concert.  
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Originally posted by Spaciousmind Spaciousmind wrote:

Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Originally posted by Spaciousmind Spaciousmind wrote:

It really hurts to see Keith Moon, John Bonham or Ian Paice missing of a list like this.  Wondering what criteria could exclude them in the period mentioned.  Progressive Rock?  You only have to back and read up the old music papers and their lists to know who was considered top.

Moon is a bit of an oddity, I've never been able to answer the question about whether he's a good drummer or not. He's all over the place yet somehow it all works and you can't imagine those Who albums without him.

It's his live performances that got me convinced that he has to be a mad genius.  I particularly love watching the 1970 Isle of Wight Concert.  

Moon often used very unusual ways of holding the drumsticks.


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Originally posted by I prophesy disaster I prophesy disaster wrote:

Nobody yet has mentioned Guy Evans of Van der Graaf Generator.


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