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Starless vs. The Cinema Show
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Poll Question: which song is better?
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    Posted: August 21 2021 at 20:05
Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Cinema Show (studio) is fantastic and then comes to a slow stop annoyingly hence why the live version is a must.
Starless - better as a studio piece although John Wetton always did great live versions. Voted for that one.


I like both better live. Cinema show gets a bit more of life on live versions, specially on the keyboard solo part. Starless, the first versions I heard were the live ones (which were actually played before the studio one), and for me, that intro melody was made to be played with a violin (even though I don't have proof, I believe it to be actually true), and doesn't sound quiet as beautiful with the guitars... and the same melody reprise at the end, I find it more powerful with the electric guitars than with the sax (though perhaps it's necessary to hear the right live version, for me, the one on Collectable King Crimson vol 1, live in Mainz disc).
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Starless narrowly over The Cinema Show. Very difficult choice as they're both amazing songs.
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Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

Starless would be one of the first songs I'd choose to introduce someone to both King Crimson and prog. The Cinema Show is great too - probably my third favorite song on Selling England... but it's not Starless

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Cinema Show (studio) is fantastic and then comes to a slow stop annoyingly hence why the live version is a must.
Starless - better as a studio piece although John Wetton always did great live versions. Voted for that one.
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Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

Starless is a masterpiece.


Both are masterpieces in my subjective judgment, but I voted Starless.

Exactly this, both are masterpieces but i voted Cinema Show
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Cinema Show because it has a flow which I love.  
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As much as I love both, I must go with Starless. Live version from the 70's.
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The Cinema Show. Both songs belong to the best of these bands' respective catalogs.

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Starless would be one of the first songs I'd choose to introduce someone to both King Crimson and prog. The Cinema Show is great too - probably my third favorite song on Selling England... but it's not Starless
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To me, Starless is King Crimson's greatest achievement. The Cinema Show is great, Genesis have more outstanding music even on SEBTP.
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Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

Starless is a masterpiece.


Both are masterpieces in my subjective judgment, but I voted Starless.
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Starless for me. ^ Paul, Starless is from the album Red.
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I'm not a fan of the Starless & Bible Black album, but I still prefer Starless to The Cinema Show. Confused
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Starless is a masterpiece.
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Genesis. However Starless is a tremendous piece of music.
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Originally posted by Hercules Hercules wrote:

The Cinema Show is one of the finest moments in prog.
Starless isn't.

Agree 100%
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 Interesting match up.Both are great songs.  Went with The Cinema Show.
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I'll vote for Genesis. Love both songs. I don't have a strong preference.
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Hard choice for me.  Today probably Starless. Tomorrow.....I don't know.
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