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Poll Question: If you have a preference, which of these do you prefer?
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    Posted: October 08 2021 at 19:08
A very straight-forward and quite sensible methinks album poll, which of these two do you prefer? Much as I like both, Guapo for me.

Edited by Logan - October 08 2021 at 19:11
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Guapo for me, but it’s really close.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Man With Hat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 08 2021 at 22:25
Originally posted by Manuel Manuel wrote:

Guapo for me, but it’s really close.

Super close for me as well, but I reach the same conclusion. 
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Glad to see "the underdog" doing so well. Guapo for me too. Five Suns is a modern masterpiece while KA is an impressive comeback-album, but not among my Magma-favorites.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Lewian Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 09 2021 at 03:08
Tight affair this - Guapo today but maybe Magma on another.
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Five Suns has a special place in my heart.  Hard choice but that's the way I go.
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Guapo for me, both outstanding but 5 Suns is top 5 this century for me.
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Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

Glad to see "the underdog" doing so well. Guapo for me too. Five Suns is a modern masterpiece while KA is an impressive comeback-album, but not among my Magma-favorites.


Same. I prefer Magma's follow-up, E-Re. 9 to 3 at this time, and every response so far (eight of them) favours Guapo. Magma's K.A. is the top rated album at PA for the year with 4.25 | 721 ratings, whereas Gaupos is at number 22 with 4.04 | 133 ratings. Number 23 for the year is another favourite of mine, Secret Chief 3's Book of Horizons.

I have noticed that people who vote for what might be seen as the underdog (or lesser known) are more likely to post what they chose (and add something about their selection), and this is not really surprising. People who vote and know (have heard) both are also more likely to post.

Edited by Logan - October 09 2021 at 07:24
"That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence" (Hitchens) and those who dismiss things too easily can be easily dismissed (Logan).
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Guapo and Elephant9 are sublime.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote dr prog Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 09 2021 at 15:18
So the magma copy is better than magma? Um no
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Logan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 09 2021 at 16:00
Originally posted by dr prog dr prog wrote:

So the magma copy is better than magma? Um no


Not sure anyone but you said better, but if I did consider that to be a Magma copy (and I think there's a Univers Zero and other influences there too) then I might say that it's doing a better job at copying Magma than Magma was with K.A.

I do hear Köhntarkösz in Five Suns. I like K.A, but one of my complaints with K.A was that it sounded rather Magma-by-numbers to me (and rather Prog by numbers in its way). If Magma had put out 5 Suns, I would not have called it Magma-by-numbers despite hearing the Magma in it.
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Easy choice for me as KA just never resonated with me. Five Suns on the other hand is incredible with the mellotron and bass just killing it.
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Originally posted by dr prog dr prog wrote:

So the magma copy is better than magma? Um no


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Good matchup. Gotta go with Magma though.
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Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

Originally posted by dr prog dr prog wrote:

So the magma copy is better than magma? Um no


Not sure anyone but you said better, but if I did consider that to be a Magma copy (and I think there's a Univers Zero and other influences there too) then I might say that it's doing a better job at copying Magma than Magma was with K.A.

I do hear Köhntarkösz in Five Suns. I like K.A, but one of my complaints with K.A was that it sounded rather Magma-by-numbers to me (and rather Prog by numbers in its way). If Magma had put out 5 Suns, I would not have called it Magma-by-numbers despite hearing the Magma in it.

I agree with this. I've never even thought of Magma when I've spun Five Suns. Ever! Anekdoten and Univers Zero for sure though.
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Originally posted by Mellotron Storm Mellotron Storm wrote:

Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

Originally posted by dr prog dr prog wrote:

So the magma copy is better than magma? Um no


Not sure anyone but you said better, but if I did consider that to be a Magma copy (and I think there's a Univers Zero and other influences there too) then I might say that it's doing a better job at copying Magma than Magma was with K.A.

I do hear Köhntarkösz in Five Suns. I like K.A, but one of my complaints with K.A was that it sounded rather Magma-by-numbers to me (and rather Prog by numbers in its way). If Magma had put out 5 Suns, I would not have called it Magma-by-numbers despite hearing the Magma in it.

I agree with this. I've never even thought of Magma when I've spun Five Suns. Ever! Anekdoten and Univers Zero for sure though.
Yeah this so called dr prog is either mistaken Guapo for another band - or stripped of his or her doctoral title
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Logan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 10 2021 at 11:34
Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

Originally posted by Mellotron Storm Mellotron Storm wrote:

Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

Originally posted by dr prog dr prog wrote:

So the magma copy is better than magma? Um no


Not sure anyone but you said better, but if I did consider that to be a Magma copy (and I think there's a Univers Zero and other influences there too) then I might say that it's doing a better job at copying Magma than Magma was with K.A.

I do hear Köhntarkösz in Five Suns. I like K.A, but one of my complaints with K.A was that it sounded rather Magma-by-numbers to me (and rather Prog by numbers in its way). If Magma had put out 5 Suns, I would not have called it Magma-by-numbers despite hearing the Magma in it.


I agree with this. I've never even thought of Magma when I've spun Five Suns. Ever! Anekdoten and Univers Zero for sure though.
Yeah this so called dr prog is either mistaken Guapo for another band - or stripped of his or her doctoral title<span><span ="rendered_text"></span></span>


I hear King Crimson in the mix too, but different people make different associations. It is surely reminiscent in part to me of Köhntarkösz and with bass work it has a similar vibe in part, but I have said various times that various music reminds me of Köhntarkösz. Its one of those reference points my brain has associated music with a considerable amount. A Magma clone, though? Maybe dr prog prefers Black Oni and Elixirs from Guapo. Hopefully he will chime in on this discussion soon because I really am interested to hear his more detailed thoughts on this.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Progmind Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 11 2021 at 11:57
nice poll!! voted Gaupo!!
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Love the Guapo, but had to vote for K.A. even if it isn't primo Magma.
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