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Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Muse have probably done their fair share of 'borrowing'. 

That's true - listen to "The Resistance" - there are bits of a number of other songs there (e.g. Billy Idol's "White Wedding" riff). I am a Muse fan btw.

Oh Muse are big time "borrowers," lol. I love them but I understand Matt doesn't compose all of those romantic era melodies and chord changes. Some yes, but others are directly ripped from old composers. Not to mention Uprising, which manages to sound like the Doctor Who theme and Call Me by Blondie all in one go. Love that song.
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Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:

It might be worth reminding all that it is not a particularly good idea to post anything which might attract the professional attentions of Messrs Sue, Grabbit, and Runne……….


Or that other litigious trio: Dewey, Gettum & Howe...
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Originally posted by Cylli Kat (0fficial) Cylli Kat (0fficial) wrote:

Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:

It might be worth reminding all that it is not a particularly good idea to post anything which might attract the professional attentions of Messrs Sue, Grabbit, and Runne……….


Or that other litigious trio: Dewey, Gettum & Howe...

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I was listening to Six Degrees Of Inner Turbulence by Dream Theater today, and I noticed two things:

The Glass Prison directly quotes something off of King Crimson's Discipline album, wasn't sure which song off the top of my head.

The Six Degrees Of Inner Turbulence suite has a very prominent theme which seems to be taken from the keyboard part of Hide In Your Shell by Supertramp. This seems actually super fitting considering the subject matter of both songs (and albums really). 

I was also listening to The Astonishing earlier, and Brother Can You Hear Me always reminds me of the midsection of Rush's Hemispheres, "I have memory and awareness, but I have no shape or form..."
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I still remember listening for the first time Alcatraz' "Simple Headphone Mind" and going crazy trying to figure out who's song they copied or who was it that copied them. Took a while but it's Nucleus' "Torrid Zone" from 1970 while Simple Headphone Mind is from 1971. Same exact theme. Funny but I just spun Steve Grossman's "Haresah" which also has that vibe but is clearly different unlike what Alcatraz did.
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Originally posted by Sacro_Porgo Sacro_Porgo wrote:

Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Muse have probably done their fair share of 'borrowing'. 

That's true - listen to "The Resistance" - there are bits of a number of other songs there (e.g. Billy Idol's "White Wedding" riff). I am a Muse fan btw.

Oh Muse are big time "borrowers," lol. I love them but I understand Matt doesn't compose all of those romantic era melodies and chord changes. Some yes, but others are directly ripped from old composers. Not to mention Uprising, which manages to sound like the Doctor Who theme and Call Me by Blondie all in one go. Love that song.

yep and he does like to throw in the odd bit of Rachmaninov, Elgar and Bach here and there when it suits him! Amazing musician.
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Hi,

I don't have an opinion on this, since the recording age (now 100 years old or so) has made it so easy for things to be compared, and it will be difficult to find a common ground, however, I think the FEELING on any of these is vastly different.

Some things are hard to explain. For example:

Dorian Scale corresponds to Raga Kafi
Phrygian Scale corresponds to Raga Bhairavi
Lydian Scale corresponds to Raga Yaman
Mixolydian Scale corresponds to Raga Khama
Aeolian Scale corresponds to Raga Asawari
Ionian Scale corresponds to Raga Bilaval

And these ragas have a history of over many hundred years of existence, and I keep thinking that we do not take into consideration that the likelihood is that something else will be similar, but I doubt that it will FEEL THE SAME. 

Personally, I don't look at music as anything but a visual context, thus the similarity in notes is not as important, or worse (in the past 50 years) how some things sound similar BECAUSE OF AN INSTRUMENT, and few people enjoy discussing the actual feeling perception behind it, other than the notes themselves!

It's just a thought ... I can not compare anything ... for example, Klaus Schulze has more in common with the very many Indian/Hindu ragas than any other music ... but we only look at it as electronic because of the instruments. It really is far more than just electronic music, but I am not sure that we are willing, or capable of seeing that.


Edited by moshkito - October 29 2021 at 10:26
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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Originally posted by Sacro_Porgo Sacro_Porgo wrote:

Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Muse have probably done their fair share of 'borrowing'. 

That's true - listen to "The Resistance" - there are bits of a number of other songs there (e.g. Billy Idol's "White Wedding" riff). I am a Muse fan btw.

Oh Muse are big time "borrowers," lol. I love them but I understand Matt doesn't compose all of those romantic era melodies and chord changes. Some yes, but others are directly ripped from old composers. Not to mention Uprising, which manages to sound like the Doctor Who theme and Call Me by Blondie all in one go. Love that song.

yep and he does like to throw in the odd bit of Rachmaninov, Elgar and Bach here and there when it suits him! Amazing musician.


Is there another famous musician as skilled as Matt at both guitar and keys? And singing??
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Well, you have these obvious ones:

and




Edited by suitkees - October 30 2021 at 08:54
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And they returned the favour:

and




Edited by suitkees - October 30 2021 at 08:56
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Hi,

Suitkees ... can you name the songs so we can see them? Over here in the West Coast it says the video is not available.

Thx
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^ Oh, that's a pity...
The first pair is It's A Beautiful Day's Bombay Calling / Deep Purple's Child in Time
The second pair is Deep Purple's Wring That Neck / It's A Beautiful Day's Don and Dewey

EDIT: I edited my posts with other youtube sources, hoping it'll work now for everyone...


Edited by suitkees - October 30 2021 at 08:57
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