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Poll Question: Did Yes "drop the ball" when Bruford left?
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    Posted: November 05 2021 at 16:31
This is another one that just popped in my head. Being that I haven't done any polls in such a long time I figured it's not a big deal if I did two in a row(more or less). Wink

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No 
They lost a great drummer, but no... 
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What does that even mean? Are they some sort of sports team?
Are you asking if they chose the wrong drummer as a replacement?

Of course not. And it's not like the music took a left turn off a cliff or anything.
Well...at least not until some of their later albums. Wink
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"Drop the ball" as in go off course or lose momentum. "Drop the ball" was the first metaphor or description I thought of. I apologize if that's vague or not clear to non native English speakers or whoever. 

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I know that there are more than two genders, but giving four alternatives to Yes and No must be something of a record. FOUR! I'm tempted to vote "Other", but I'll vote "Yes" because they still were Yes afterwards. Tongue

(I know you don't share my humour, so in fact I vote No, honestly. Bruford was a big loss though.)
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Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

I know that there are more than two genders, but giving four alternatives to Yes and No must be something of a record. FOUR! I'm tempted to vote "Other", but I'll vote "Yes" because they still were Yes afterwards. Tongue

(I know you don't share my humour, so in fact I vote No, honestly. Bruford was a big loss though.)

Come on. You guys should know I'm not a fan of binary polls by now. Plus sometimes I think just yes and no doesn't cut it but I wanted to include those as well. 
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Tales is a controversial album for a lot of people, but I don't think Bruford is the reason. Personally, I think TFTO is a very good album (even if not as good as Fragile and CTTE especially), but even if I didn't rate it, as I said, I don't think lack of Bruford would be the reason. And aside from that, they bounced back with Relayer which I think is their 2nd best album and GFTO which is a minor classic as well. So no, I think he's one of the best drummers ever and two of their top 3 albums were with him on the band but the band had more than enough talent to survive his departure and he was very well replaced with Alan White. 
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You know, now I'm really confused, so maybe I should vote "maybe"... Ermm
Maybe not... or not really...? Is there a direction? An other?

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I vote for option #5 because Tales was a temporary drop (not because of the drumming by the way). Options #2 and #4 are valid as well - for me.
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Another joke poll, DMAFKC? LOL

We already know the answer is: NO.

Reason #1. Bruford left of his own accord to join King Crimson.

Reasons #2-7+. TfTO, Relayer, GftO, Tormato, Drama, 90125, etc.
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If the albums they made after Bruford left were "dropping the ball" then that's fine with me.
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Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

If the albums they made after Bruford left were "dropping the ball" then that's fine with me.

If dropping the ball means getting "The Gates of Delirium," "Sound Chaser," "Awaken," "Parallels," "On the Silent Wings of Freedom," "Machine Messiah," and "Tempus Fugit," I'm all for it!
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Absolutely not. They went on to their most elaborate album, for better or worse, and then their best after that.
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Originally posted by Progosopher Progosopher wrote:

Absolutely not. They went on to their most elaborate album, for better or worse, and then their best after that.


This is what I was hoping at least one person would say. Which one do you consider their best though? Relayer? Most seem to consider their prime period to be TYA to CTTE and especially close to the edge so it was with that common opinion in mind that prompted me to start this poll.
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although Bruford is probably my fav drummer--Alan White is an amazing versatile drummer and added an earthiness and heaviness to the sound which opened up a lot of new directions for the band--can't imagine Bill on Relayer. One of their best albums. 
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Definitely no. They lost a great drummer, one of my favourites, but no way.
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No, they dropped the ball when they let Patrick Moraz go and re-hired Rick Wakeman: a backward-looking decision based entirely on commerce. A lot of good music would follow, but nothing as challenging as Relayer: the last truly "progressive" Yes album...
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^ Come on, we would never have had Awaken as we know it if Wakeman didn't come back, and I can't imagine the version with Moraz could have ended up any better. However, no, they didn't drop the ball nor anything when Bruford left, and I find it a rather odd question given how they were still going strong until Tormato.
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I don't know what the difference between yes and no and other is, so I'm going to vote for buy one get one free.
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ONLY if Bruford was a ball

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