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Originally posted by I prophesy disaster I prophesy disaster wrote:

 I've been wrestling with the same or similar question earlier with regards to creating a list for the "All-Time Top 10 Progressive Rock Bands" thread.....
Rarely do I get more than one or two albums of a given band, and even for bands where I do have several albums, they often do not feel like favourite bands. And many of my favourite albums are the only albums I have from the bands, and therefore those bands can't be regarded as favourite bands.

Beginning for a couple of or some years ago, I've began to think like the more albums I'm fond of from a band the more is it my favourite band, and after beginning thinking like that, I've discovered that some bands can feel like my favourites, for instance certainly ELP.
- But I didn't even think of making a try with "All-Time Top 10 Progressive Rock Bands" - it certainly felt pointless to me. And I really don't know because picking some favourites feels to me like putting other bands aside, and it's like let them down. 

On the other hand, I've had a period over quite a lot of years when Pink Floyd was my absolutely favourite band, and I could say to somebody:"My absolutely #1 are Pink Floyd and Karl Marx." Smile I had even all PF records, released before The Division Bell - where I afterall drew the line.


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Zeph Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 05 2021 at 13:42
I canít imagine anyone (in here) saying anything but the music, but what are the artists without the music? Itís a weird question.

If I like multiple albums by a band or an artists, itís because I like the music, not the band.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote David_D Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 05 2021 at 14:52
I'm curious about your name, I prophesy disaster.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote I prophesy disaster Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 05 2021 at 16:09
Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

I'm curious about your name, I prophesy disaster.
 
"I prophesy disaster" is a lyric from "A Plague of Lighthouse Keepers" by Van der Graaf Generator on their Pawn Hearts album. It is also the name of a Van der Graaf Generator compilation album.
 
By the way, although it would be difficult for me to list 10 favourite bands, I can very easily list one, Van der Graaf Generator, who I have based my PA forum identity on (although I did recently change my signature to a Peter Hammill lyric instead of a lyric from the VdGG album that is my avatar).
 

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Great question.

To me bands are way more important than albums. If you concentrate only on the albums you can end up downgrading the importance of the band itself and that is dangerous in my view. 

My favourite band for some time has been Emerson, Lake and Palmer. They were a great live band and produced some massively important music that doesn't need listing by me. They were innovative, exciting and brave as a band. Other artists looked and took note of them. That's the facts. Did they produce a killer album like say Pawn Hearts or The Snow Goose? Sadly no, but my feelings don't change. It is what it is but no one is going to convince me that VDGG or Camel were a better band. You can look back and it may seem like that now because ELP made many bad decisions but what has that got to do with music? Really it doesn't IMO.

 


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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

My favourite band for some time has been Emerson, Lake and Palmer. They were a great live band and produced some massively important music that doesn't need listing by me. They were innovative, exciting and brave as a band. Other artists looked and took note of them. 

I certainly like to hear praising ELP because I can at least think of them as a band which has made 5 albums I'm fond/very fond of, and I surely have some special feelings for them.
Trilogy was my very first Prog album which I got at the age of 15. I've never got tired of listening to ELP albums, on the contrary, I've become more fond of them over the years, and I find ELP as a very important Prog pioneering band, as well (you've heard that before).


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In the end, it is the music that is most important for me, for that is precisely why I like a band and consider them worth it, not their "look" or "image", or anything else, really.
     My favorite band is Triumvirat, and they split back in early 1981, and their leader, Juergen Fritz, except for an abortive attempt at a comeback album in 2002, has totally distanced himself from "Triumvirat the band", but none of that stops me from them being my favorite, the thing that hooks me is their music which thrills me as much as when I first discovered it in the spring of 1985.
                 My other favorites, Giger Lenz Marron, Dzyan, Passport, except for Passport, are also long gone in terms of recordings, and touring, but that is ok; I have the music, and am grateful to say I do.


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It's a combination of the two for me, but ultimately it's the albums that do the *talking.

*or singing
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote moshkito Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 06 2021 at 09:39
Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

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It seems right "but the QUALITY of the work" are albums?

Something else, I do somehow find KC done more important in comparison with some other bands than they have deserved - can evaluation like that be done objectively?

Hi,

After a concert with King Crimson in Seattle (w/ 3 drummers), my friend on the way out to get the car stated that ... "this puts a new meaning in what is music!"

I'm not sure there is objectivity here, but one must accept and understand the quality of the rehearsals and study that ensures that KC is at the top of its game. IN that sense it is more like classical music, but we don't know, or understand that comparison. 

Thus, the "total" of the music is important, not one album! And when the group/band/composer can not only show it, but also continue to make it better ... you know the answer. One "album" or one hit wonders, or one album favorites die hard at that moment.
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Hi,

After a concert with King Crimson in Seattle (w/ 3 drummers), my friend on the way out to get the car stated that ... "this puts a new meaning in what is music!"

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was able to see KC concerts in Seattle in 2017.  i think all part of the radical action tour.  amazing!
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I have decided it very clear for me that anything modern in prog/hard rock music is alien to me, per definition. As well as any serious modern writers. If the band existed in the 1970s - I am more than eager to listen to it, even if its music sucked. 

Subsonsciously and perhaps even consciously I feel that there were the times when the trees were nicer and the water was bluer. And I want to be part of those times' atmosphere. I want to soak that atmosphere. Or the atmosphere to soak me in. Or both. 
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^ Much of the music I like to listen to (both prog and non-prog) was made pre-1980. There is so much good stuff which which I keep discovering from that era, and am amazed at all the almost unknown gems of albums that I continue to find.


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Originally posted by Woon Deadn Woon Deadn wrote:

Subsonsciously and perhaps even consciously I feel that there were the times when the trees were nicer and the water was bluer. And I want to be part of those times' atmosphere. I want to soak that atmosphere. Or the atmosphere to soak me in. Or both. 

It could be myself written those words, Woon D., even I like quite a lot of post-70's music, as well.


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I'm a musician, and the correct answer, of course, is "bands." 

The music that we all enjoy cannot be produced without the proper chemistry.  Fripp and Zappa knew this.

It is a chicken & egg argument, but I find the musicians themselves to be inseparable from the product. 




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Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

I'm a musician, and the correct answer, of course, is "bands."

There's not such an objective "correct answer" here. The bands are not our relatives, friends, and/or loved ones. If someone is my relative, I might accept them as they are. Or can try to be good with him/her even if that person's "personality" changes in a bad way (for me).

I would never do that for the bands. If they do albums that I don't appreciate, I simply won't "try" to like or appreciate them. I'd still appreciate their albums that I liked and continue to cherish their "grand days".

I'm so far very lucky that none of my favourite artists turned into/out to be an a****le as a person. Hahahah. That should be very painful for a person seeing that his/her idol is revealed to be a rapist and such.

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Songs/albums first, band second.

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Originally posted by Woon Deadn Woon Deadn wrote:

I have decided it very clear for me that anything modern in prog/hard rock music is alien to me, per definition. As well as any serious modern writers. If the band existed in the 1970s - I am more than eager to listen to it, even if its music sucked. 

Subsonsciously and perhaps even consciously I feel that there were the times when the trees were nicer and the water was bluer. And I want to be part of those times' atmosphere. I want to soak that atmosphere. Or the atmosphere to soak me in. Or both. 

Hi,

I think that in those days we had something to fight for, and agree on. Today, with mass commercialization, so much is trivial that not enough matters to anyone, and then ... the music and social combines reflect that ... I mean, look at it ... what is worth fighting for, your right to choice or a long song about ____________? 

The times, and places, normally, are what helped create the "scenes" that we love so much, and the real truth behind it, is for you to look at film, theater, literature and other arts ... and they are doing the same thing. Today, with media commercialization, this is impossible until the media controls get hacked and changed.
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Originally posted by yogev yogev wrote:

For me, the "music" (albums) is the most importent thing, thats what it all about. But I don't agree with people that don't bother checking about the band or the bandmates, the people behind it, people who do not read a lttle general information about the music they like. It maybe not affecitve to people here. In this website I know that the people are not like this... But you get my point.   

When I was younger, it was all about the albums and the music... I was actually quite fiercely opposed to basing my listening choices on the personalities of band members and paid their 'rock star lifestyles. little heed, secretly guilty that my purchases would in some way only promote their lifestyles... LOL

Of course, much has changed over the decades and because most artistic proponents of prog are probably as broke as we are, my stance has softened considerably on this front.

I don't know how you feel Yogev, but I was actually visibly moved when I saw Orphaned Land perform Mabool in 2006, because of their back story in trying to make their brand of Progressive Symph/Death Metal a unifying force against many odds in your homeland.. that did spur me on to support the band because of who they were...
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Originally posted by Shadowyzard Shadowyzard wrote:

Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

I'm a musician, and the correct answer, of course, is "bands."

There's not such an objective "correct answer" here. The bands are not our relatives, friends, and/or loved ones. 

Speak for yourself. 


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^ I already did so. What I "meant" was clear. I'm also an amateur musician, and even took part in official releases as a singer. I have musician friends too. They are "humans" that have friends, relatives etc.

Do you think I'm not aware of that?

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