the problem with modern day music

edefakiel wrote: I'm from 92 and I would find stupid to be referred as a girl, being a 6'2 f**ker. And I'm planning to legally identify as a woman as soon as they let you change your status without medical intervention in my country, which is going to happen soon, apparently.

Ok, fair enough. I'm just 5'9 with no plans to identify as a woman any time soon, and would have just shrugged - or smiled if someone referred to me as "girl". Anyway, I still feel the original conversation was just two people not speaking the same lingo.

I suppose "have no way of being discovered" was an overstatement. I should have said "have less chance of being discovered and explored at the whim of the listener."

moshkito wrote: [QUOTE=Awesoreno] The Beatles and the Rolling Stones, kinda helped change things ... since their albums were all STEREO and people knew it ...

DreamTechPlus wrote: SteveG wrote: First off, addressing me as girl shows your immaturity. If you are a man, act like it. If you are a women, act like it. Simple, no? Secondly, I answered you in the same way that present yourself. Putting subjective views forward and acting as it they are empirical facts and your force of wording makes them concrete. I'm you, but you don't see the irony. I gave the response you deserved. Whenever you bring words like "good", "like", etc. into the discussion, it's subjective. Stick to objective measurable criteria such as "popularity", "sales", etc. Again, I would take you seriously. An btw, stating that I don't like pop music is mind reading, another subjective act on your part, but you fail to see that as well. Girl, bye. Get outta here with that gender conformist bs. Maturity would be not getting pressed over such a thing in the first place, my love. You wanna play the victim like I'm being elitist for calling out your elitism? You do you, honey boo boo. I'm not going to be a party to it no more. Love, DreamTechPlus.

I know this isn't any of my business, but this feels extremely generational. I was - and still is "on your side" regarding the actual discussion. But I'm guessing I'm older than you. Maybe even a lot. Nevertheless SteveG is still older than my dad. And I wouldn't "bye, bye girl" or "honey boo boo" him (nor would I to anyone, but that's beside the point) as I know he wouldn't understand what I was on about. At all. An older person doesn't have to be a gender conformist a****le just because the way you speak is like a foreign language to them. When the person you're communicating with was 25, it was 1972.

The advent of streaming music via the internet was always going to lead down the current road. As soon as the record company's clocked on to the potential of simply downloading tracks rather than having to go through the 'hassle' of buying whole albums, rather than simply moaning about piracy, they made sure the idea of a music scene that was wide ranging, multi faceted and bursting with new ideas was doomed. The record biz (having worked with the big five (as it was) reps I found the biz has no interest, whatsoever, in promoting anything bar the most bland, easily accessible and unchallenging music available. Modern music has morphed into the equivalent of Carlsberg/Fosters. All that matters to them is the bottom line - dollars. Artists showing off their chops!? Bah, humbug. Robert Fripp, in one of the notes to the KC Steven Wilson remixes, makes some interesting points. These being, that during the 1960's and 1970's, the music business saw a revolution, and characters emerged at the very top that wanted to see, new, exciting, challenging music promoted and succeed in the music market. In the 1980's, the money men started to take over, and the top men increasingly left it down to them, resulting in music becoming more and more commercial. By the 1990's and the new century, Fripp states that the money men had been replaced by hard faced PR merchants who really had no interest whatsoever in what was 'good', only in what sells. And what sells is plastic pop. Rock, in all its forms lives on, but only due to a hardcore of people unwilling to let it die, and in the face of open record company hostility.  

Necrotica wrote: cstack3 wrote: Grumpyprogfan wrote: cstack3 wrote: Who is today's Robert Fripp?  (well, Bob Fripp of course, but still)....or Chick Corea?  Or Chris Squire? Today's Fripp Today's Chick. Today's Chris Sorry, not even close!   Why the hell would you even comment if you're not going to elaborate? You're not adding anything constructive to the conversation

It goes without saying that Cstack's heroes are prog rock's innovators, but you can only invent the wheel once. The rest is refinements of that invention.

Edited by SteveG - June 25 2022 at 07:23

Grumpyprogfan wrote: ^You would say the same to anyone's choices. For you, no one will ever be better than Fripp, Chick or Chris. Cool, but only your opinion.

While I'm not dissing Cstack's personel views, I have to agree with you that there are many fine modern day prog artists with the requisite chops. If not, then they couldn't create and perform progressive rock music on a level that's enjoyed by us. I'm thinking of relatively recent artists like drummer Marco Minnermann, as one example, who's as good as any old time prog drummer.

Edited by SteveG - June 25 2022 at 09:58

^You would say the same to anyone's choices. For you, no one will ever be better than Fripp, Chick or Chris. Cool, but only your opinion.

No need. It's done.

Girl, bye. Get outta here with that gender conformist bs. Maturity would be not getting pressed over such a thing in the first place, my love.

Edited by DreamTechPlus - June 23 2022 at 06:59