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    Posted: September 14 2022 at 03:56
I know some find this tedious, but having established (sort of) the 'Big Six' of prog in a previous thread, the discussion did revolve around prog rock's golden era of the 70s wherein our heroes scored big chart successes.  But what about the 80s? My starter for ten is that Genesis, Yes, Jethro Tull, King Crimson and Pink Floyd maintained their positions.  So, who replaces ELP who officially split up in 1979?  I would suggest Marillion.  A complicating factor is the relative success of those members of the Big Six who since went solo - Gabriel and Hackett immediately spring to mind.
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My big four of the 80's

Rush
Pat Metheny
Allan Holdsworth
Frank Zappa
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I wouldn't include any of the original "Big Six" in the 1980's "Big Six" of prog. For me, the 1980's belonged to the emerging new wave of Neo Prog bands, and with that in mind, here's my 1980's "Big Six" in order of prominence, but not necessarily in order of preference. Smile

1. Marillion
2. Pendragon
3. Pallas
4. IQ
5. Twelfth Night
6. Magenta




Edited by Psychedelic Paul - September 20 2022 at 13:47
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Possibly a slight case for Pallas - IQ and Twelfth Night by a long stretch...

Apart from Marillion, I don't think any of these other bands made a dent Stateside...(US readers may want to correct me...)


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Originally posted by Rick1 Rick1 wrote:

Possibly a slight case for Pallas - IQ and Twelfth Night by a long stretch...

Apart from Marillion, I don't think any of these other bands made a dent Stateside...(US readers may want to correct me...)
I couldn't even name half a dozen American Neo Prog bands. The only two that come to mind are Echolyn and Spock's Beard, neither of whom were around in the 1980's. Ermm

I have to be honest though..... I didn't buy my first Neo Prog album until earlier this year when I bought three albums by Marillion, even though I wasn't a big fan of theirs back in the 1980's Embarrassed 
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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by Rick1 Rick1 wrote:

Possibly a slight case for Pallas - IQ and Twelfth Night by a long stretch...

Apart from Marillion, I don't think any of these other bands made a dent Stateside...(US readers may want to correct me...)
I couldn't even name half a dozen American Neo Prog bands. The only two that come to mind are Echolyn and Spock's Beard, neither of whom were around in the 1980's. Ermm

I have to be honest though..... I didn't buy my first Neo Prog album until earlier this year when I bought three albums by Marillion, even though I wasn't a big fan of theirs back in the 1980's Embarrassed 

American neo-prog is rare, neo-prog was a European thing, mostly British at first.  

Echolyn and Spock's Beard are not neo-prog bands. 
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by Rick1 Rick1 wrote:

Possibly a slight case for Pallas - IQ and Twelfth Night by a long stretch...

Apart from Marillion, I don't think any of these other bands made a dent Stateside...(US readers may want to correct me...)
I couldn't even name half a dozen American Neo Prog bands. The only two that come to mind are Echolyn and Spock's Beard, neither of whom were around in the 1980's. Ermm

I have to be honest though..... I didn't buy my first Neo Prog album until earlier this year when I bought three albums by Marillion, even though I wasn't a big fan of theirs back in the 1980's Embarrassed 

American neo-prog is rare, neo-prog was a European thing, mostly British at first.  

Echolyn and Spock's Beard are not neo-prog bands. 
Echolyn and Spock's Beard both featured prominently in a Neo Prog book I read recently, even though they're not listed as such on ProgArchives. Smile
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Discounting the original Big 6

Marillion
Cardiacs
Univers Zero
IQ
Dead Can Dance
Art Zoyd

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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by Rick1 Rick1 wrote:

Possibly a slight case for Pallas - IQ and Twelfth Night by a long stretch...

Apart from Marillion, I don't think any of these other bands made a dent Stateside...(US readers may want to correct me...)
I couldn't even name half a dozen American Neo Prog bands. The only two that come to mind are Echolyn and Spock's Beard, neither of whom were around in the 1980's. Ermm

I have to be honest though..... I didn't buy my first Neo Prog album until earlier this year when I bought three albums by Marillion, even though I wasn't a big fan of theirs back in the 1980's Embarrassed 

American neo-prog is rare, neo-prog was a European thing, mostly British at first.  

Echolyn and Spock's Beard are not neo-prog bands. 
Echolyn and Spock's Beard both featured prominently in a Neo Prog book I read recently, even though they're not listed as such on ProgArchives. Smile

if you cannot see the difference between the sound of the bands you listed above and the sound of Echolyn and Spock's Beard, that's on you then... 
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by Rick1 Rick1 wrote:

Possibly a slight case for Pallas - IQ and Twelfth Night by a long stretch...

Apart from Marillion, I don't think any of these other bands made a dent Stateside...(US readers may want to correct me...)
I couldn't even name half a dozen American Neo Prog bands. The only two that come to mind are Echolyn and Spock's Beard, neither of whom were around in the 1980's. Ermm

I have to be honest though..... I didn't buy my first Neo Prog album until earlier this year when I bought three albums by Marillion, even though I wasn't a big fan of theirs back in the 1980's Embarrassed 

American neo-prog is rare, neo-prog was a European thing, mostly British at first.  

Echolyn and Spock's Beard are not neo-prog bands. 
Echolyn and Spock's Beard both featured prominently in a Neo Prog book I read recently, even though they're not listed as such on ProgArchives. Smile

if you cannot see the difference between the sound of the bands you listed above and the sound of Echolyn and Spock's Beard, that's on you then... 
No, I can't hear the difference. Echolyn and Spock's Beard both sound like Neo Prog bands to my ears, and up until today, I'd always assumed they were listed as Neo Prog on ProgArchives. Embarrassed
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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by Rick1 Rick1 wrote:

Possibly a slight case for Pallas - IQ and Twelfth Night by a long stretch...

Apart from Marillion, I don't think any of these other bands made a dent Stateside...(US readers may want to correct me...)
I couldn't even name half a dozen American Neo Prog bands. The only two that come to mind are Echolyn and Spock's Beard, neither of whom were around in the 1980's. Ermm

I have to be honest though..... I didn't buy my first Neo Prog album until earlier this year when I bought three albums by Marillion, even though I wasn't a big fan of theirs back in the 1980's Embarrassed 

American neo-prog is rare, neo-prog was a European thing, mostly British at first.  

Echolyn and Spock's Beard are not neo-prog bands. 
Echolyn and Spock's Beard both featured prominently in a Neo Prog book I read recently, even though they're not listed as such on ProgArchives. Smile

if you cannot see the difference between the sound of the bands you listed above and the sound of Echolyn and Spock's Beard, that's on you then... 
No, I can't hear the difference. Echolyn and Spock's Beard both sound like Neo Prog bands to my ears, and up until today, I'd always assumed they were listed as Neo Prog on ProgArchives. Embarrassed

so IQ and Spock's Beard sound the same to you? Really? LOL
Pendragon and Echolyn sound the same? LOL

wow...


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Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

Discounting the original Big 6

Marillion
Cardiacs
Univers Zero
IQ
Dead Can Dance
Art Zoyd


Much as I love UZ and AZ, I don't think there is a case (I had heard of UZ in the 80s, but that was it!).  Cardiacs and DCD, maybe.
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Back to the OP:
I'd say all of these bands could be recognized for their contributions to keeping the spirit of prog alive during Prog's "Dark Ages":
Rush (7 1980s studio albums released)
Pat Metheny (7 proggy releases--with Group and other configurations)
Univers Zero (3 highly rated 1980s releases)
Marillion (7)
David Sylvian (6 - two with Holger Czukay)
King Crimson (3 highly rated studio albums and a couple other package/live albums)
Peter Gabriel (3 studios, 2 highly acclaimed soundtracks, one top selling live album)
Kate Bush (4 highly acclaimed studio album releases)
XTC (6 high quality studio albums released not to mention the Dukes of Stratosphere albums)
Swans (7 1980s releases)
Genesis
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I won't give credit to bands who only appeared in the second half of the decade (Ozrics, IQ, Pendragon, Cardiacs) or bands whose careers fizzled or meandered from the fray (Pink Floyd) 
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by Rick1 Rick1 wrote:

Possibly a slight case for Pallas - IQ and Twelfth Night by a long stretch...

Apart from Marillion, I don't think any of these other bands made a dent Stateside...(US readers may want to correct me...)
I couldn't even name half a dozen American Neo Prog bands. The only two that come to mind are Echolyn and Spock's Beard, neither of whom were around in the 1980's. Ermm

I have to be honest though..... I didn't buy my first Neo Prog album until earlier this year when I bought three albums by Marillion, even though I wasn't a big fan of theirs back in the 1980's Embarrassed 

American neo-prog is rare, neo-prog was a European thing, mostly British at first.  

Echolyn and Spock's Beard are not neo-prog bands. 
Echolyn and Spock's Beard both featured prominently in a Neo Prog book I read recently, even though they're not listed as such on ProgArchives. Smile

if you cannot see the difference between the sound of the bands you listed above and the sound of Echolyn and Spock's Beard, that's on you then... 
No, I can't hear the difference. Echolyn and Spock's Beard both sound like Neo Prog bands to my ears, and up until today, I'd always assumed they were listed as Neo Prog on ProgArchives. Embarrassed

so IQ and Spock's Beard sound the same to you? Really? LOL
Pendragon and Echolyn sound the same? LOL

wow...
I  have a feeling you're deliberately misinterpreting what I said: I don't recall saying that IQ and Spock's Beard sound the same, or that Pendragon and Echolyn sound the same either. If you recall, I said that Echolyn and Spock's Beard both sound like Neo Prog bands to me, which is not the same as saying they all sound the same, if you follow my meaning. Tongue
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Cristi Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 14 2022 at 07:33
Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by Rick1 Rick1 wrote:

Possibly a slight case for Pallas - IQ and Twelfth Night by a long stretch...

Apart from Marillion, I don't think any of these other bands made a dent Stateside...(US readers may want to correct me...)
I couldn't even name half a dozen American Neo Prog bands. The only two that come to mind are Echolyn and Spock's Beard, neither of whom were around in the 1980's. Ermm

I have to be honest though..... I didn't buy my first Neo Prog album until earlier this year when I bought three albums by Marillion, even though I wasn't a big fan of theirs back in the 1980's Embarrassed 

American neo-prog is rare, neo-prog was a European thing, mostly British at first.  

Echolyn and Spock's Beard are not neo-prog bands. 
Echolyn and Spock's Beard both featured prominently in a Neo Prog book I read recently, even though they're not listed as such on ProgArchives. Smile

if you cannot see the difference between the sound of the bands you listed above and the sound of Echolyn and Spock's Beard, that's on you then... 
No, I can't hear the difference. Echolyn and Spock's Beard both sound like Neo Prog bands to my ears, and up until today, I'd always assumed they were listed as Neo Prog on ProgArchives. Embarrassed

so IQ and Spock's Beard sound the same to you? Really? LOL
Pendragon and Echolyn sound the same? LOL

wow...
I  have a feeling you're deliberately misinterpreting what I said: I don't recall saying that IQ and Spock's Beard sound the same, or that Pendragon and Echolyn sound the same either. If you recall, I said that Echolyn and Spock's Beard both sound like Neo Prog bands to me, which is not the same as saying they all sound the same, if you follow my meaning. Tongue

You said and i quote "No, I can't hear the difference." 
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On Cardiacs they were around as early as 1977 but I think you are right that they didn't really get any awareness until '88's A Little Man ... album.

I actually find this pretty hard to come up with a meaningful list, Rush only had one 'classic' album after 1980. Gabriel gets rolled into the 'Genesis' original Big 6 & he's more of a art pop artist than a progger, Kate Bush, maybe?

I guess the 80's Big 6 is - Marillion
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Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

My big four of the 80's

Rush
Pat Metheny
Allan Holdsworth
Frank Zappa

This is almost what I would consider the best 80s bands, though they started their careers in the 70s.
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Originally posted by Manuel Manuel wrote:

Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

My big four of the 80's

Rush
Pat Metheny
Allan Holdsworth
Frank Zappa


This is almost what I would consider the best 80s bands, though they started their careers in the 70s.
True, but Genesis, King Crimson, Jethro Tull, and Pink Floyd started their careers in the late 60's.

Allan Holdsworth's first official release was in 1982.
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From JR/F, Metheny and Di Meola. 
Bowie did quite well in the 80s
Battiato from RPI had a great decade, also commercially-
What about Kate Bush?
I know Vangelis is, for some strange reasons, only in related, but he made and sold a good number of albums.
Zappa, too, did a lot of work in the 80s

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Originally posted by Rick1 Rick1 wrote:

The Big Six - of the 80s?

The simplest answer: There's no such thing - for a reason.

There was a Big Four of Thrash Metal in the 1980's. But not in the 1990's. Same thing here.
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