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Yet another topic on what is or what isnít. Symphonic, Progressive genres. Right in the context of the original question and any other examples youíll never get a true definition of who is or who isnít considered to belong within a genre. As each person has their own definition of who or who isnít a factor in the genre. So just stop trying and allow yourself to decide who is or isnít in. Your own choices.
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Originally posted by geekfreak geekfreak wrote:

Yet another topic on what is or what isnít. Symphonic, Progressive genres. Right in the context of the original question and any other examples youíll never get a true definition of who is or who isnít considered to belong within a genre. As each person has their own definition of who or who isnít a factor in the genre. So just stop trying and allow yourself to decide who is or isnít in. Your own choices.

The OP was not trying to define or redefine what symphonic metal is, he just wanted to hear some music like the bands he mentioned in his initial post, that's all. 

Yes, the thread title is pretty terrible, but the purpose of the thread is more than fine. Smile
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote cstack3 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 17 2022 at 23:54
See if you can find the song "Ulice_Rozpaczy" by Polish band Panzerfaust.  It might be in here.


(My only concern is that they may be a neo-Nazi band!  I don't speak Polish).
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote edefakiel Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 18 2022 at 01:13
Sorry for not answering. Lately, the page is always down for me. This is the first time I'm able to enter in a few days. 

I have discovered this recently, I think that it is very good:



Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by geekfreak geekfreak wrote:

Yet another topic on what is or what isnít. Symphonic, Progressive genres. Right in the context of the original question and any other examples youíll never get a true definition of who is or who isnít considered to belong within a genre. As each person has their own definition of who or who isnít a factor in the genre. So just stop trying and allow yourself to decide who is or isnít in. Your own choices.

The OP was not trying to define or redefine what symphonic metal is, he just wanted to hear some music like the bands he mentioned in his initial post, that's all. 

Yes, the thread title is pretty terrible, but the purpose of the thread is more than fine. Smile

Sorry, English is not my first language and sometimes I lack subtlety. What title do you recommend? 
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Symphonic Metal Playlist

Aesma Daeva (United States)
After Forever (Netherlands)
Amberian Dawn (Finland) 
Apocalyptica (Finland)
Autumn (Netherlands)
Avantasia (Germany)
Coronatus (Germany)
Delain (Netherlands)
Diabulus in Musica (Spain)
Edenbridge (Austria)
Epica (Netherlands)
Imperia (Multi-National)
Kamelot (United States)
Kingfisher Sky (Netherlands)
Leaves' Eyes (Norway)
Lunatica (Switzerland)
Nightwish (Finland)
Rhapsody of Fire (Italy)
Serenity (Austria)
Sirenia (Norway)
Therion (Sweden)
Tristania (Norway)
Visions of Atlantis (Austria)
Within Temptation (Netherlands)
Xandria (Germany)


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Originally posted by edefakiel edefakiel wrote:

Sorry, English is not my first language and sometimes I lack subtlety. What title do you recommend? 

English is not my first language either. 
It seems you want to listen to metal with symphonic elements but it does not mean the usual symphonic metal (operatic metal) sound. 

I wasn't trying to make you change your thread title, I understand what you want to do hear, I even suggested some bands. 
If you say "true symphonic metal', it implies that the one already existing is not right, incorrect, something wrong with it, not symphonic at all, and so on. 

Carry on, if I discover a band that fits your OP description, I'll post it here. 
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Thanks, bardberic, AEternam or Fleshgod Apocalypse are the two things I'm enjoying the most. Although I would like for metal to have more dynamic productions!


Great compositions, and totally in line with what I'm looking for. But the orchestration is a little bit too MIDI for my tastes. 

PD: I edited the OP to more clearly show what kind of music I'm after. 


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This is one of the craziest, most avant-garde, creative things I have ever listened to. 

And this is not far behind:



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Okay first of all, I'm a native English speaker and the last title was better. Maybe "truly symphonic metal," or" metal that is actually symphonic" would be better -- it's tounge-in-cheek. It's fine.

It seems, however, that you're not looking for "truly symphonic metal," rather "epic progressive metal that is not cheesy," which I think is the best title

Let's put this to the test... What do you think of LŲr:
https://halloflor.bandcamp.com/album/in-forgotten-sleep

or Ne Obliscaris:
https://neobliviscaris.bandcamp.com/album/portal-of-i

They're not symphonic per say (hence why I didn't embed it) but I think you'll love it anyway.

If you like this, well, let's just say we're going to have a field day my friend. You and I.

Regarding the production of Aeternam, yeah I hate it. It's hard to listen to the last song because it's so noisy. Really bad with there imo. But it still beats Fledhgod Apocalypse's (FGA) brickwall. Imo, Wilderun's Epigone is poorly produced, too. It seems this genre is very hard to produce well, unfortunately. Hopefully it gets better as it becomes more popular.

In any case, for some more "truly symphonic metal" that is not "epic progressive metal that is not cheesy," I'm going to embed a single from Epica's newest album. It's a collab with FGA:


Ignoring Simone's melodic operatic, and rather boring soprano vocals on here, this is what FGA would sound like (kind of) if they didn't f**king brickwall their music. See how awesome it is when you can actually make out what's going on? The song "Death is not the End" is good, too. Epica's newest album Omega is pretty good, too this regard, if you don't mind the pop-rock approach as they usually take (it seems that's why you don't like "operatic metal"). Give the first three tracks a listen on that one

I don't think you'll like it, but let's try Ex Libris's Anastasia Romanov, as well. It's more "Epican," but much more progressive. This is part of a trilogy of EPs along with Anne Boleyn and Anne Frank, the latter of which is also really symphonic and good, but the former... not so much:



I also posted this in your "maximalist" post from earlier, but it's totally relevant here, too:



I don't know how much you like doom metal but here is The Otolith. They're more "truly orchestral metal" than "truly symphonic metal," but I think they're great:



I'll give more "Epic Progressive Metal that is not Cheesy" later on if you like LŲr and Ne Oblivisvaris and I'll try to keep them, too

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I love Ne Obliviscaris. Particularly the first and the second album. From LŲr I remember listening Edge of Eternity, and I thought that it was kind of not that interesting. This one, though, it is pretty amazing, maybe I should give another chance to the other one. They kind of remind me to this: https://iomair.bandcamp.com/album/fishing-for-an-apparition

That last thing rocks hard. I was listening to Epica's Omega the other day, but it wasn't my thing particularly. I will listen the rest. I already listened to Imperial Circus Dead Decadence when you posted it in the other thread, but I don't remember them. 

This is very unique and peculiar. Maybe it is debatable whether they are symphonic or not, but they are surely operistic. 


The production is, sadly, incredibly muddy and lacking range and subtlety. Which seems to be a given with metal albums. 

Quote Analyzed: Schizoid Lloyd / The Last Note In God's Magnum Opus
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DR         Peak         RMS     Duration Track
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DR6        0.00 dB    -8.44 dB      5:28 01-Suicide Penguin
DR6        0.00 dB    -8.29 dB      2:59 02-Christmas Devil
DR6        0.00 dB    -8.34 dB      4:35 03-Avalanche Riders
DR6        0.00 dB    -9.03 dB      7:39 04-Misanthrope Puppet
DR10       0.00 dB   -14.78 dB      4:18 05-Film Noir Hero
DR6        0.00 dB    -8.42 dB      5:11 06-Amphibian Seer
DR7        0.00 dB    -8.42 dB      3:47 07-Cave Painter
DR6        0.00 dB    -9.34 dB      7:43 08-Chicken Wing Swans
DR7        0.00 dB   -10.65 dB      9:58 09-Citizen Herd
DR10       0.00 dB   -13.79 dB      5:44 10-Prodigal Son
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Number of tracks:  10
Official DR value: DR7

Completely idiotic production. 

This sound more amateur and less clear, it was probably done with way less resources, but compare the dynamic range:


Quote --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Analyzed: Nachtreich / The Quivering Lights (1-3)
          Spectral Lore / The Quivering Lights (4-6)
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DR         Peak         RMS     Duration Track
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DR9        0.00 dB   -14.63 dB      6:42 01-Lights
DR14      -2.90 dB   -22.31 dB      5:37 03-Greyness
DR9        0.00 dB   -12.26 dB      6:57 01-Ghost Lights
DR11       0.00 dB   -14.74 dB      8:17 02-Quivering
DR11       0.00 dB   -14.28 dB     11:30 02-Vanishing
DR15      -0.77 dB   -20.73 dB      6:29 03-Reflection
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Number of tracks:  6
Official DR value: DR12




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Originally posted by edefakiel edefakiel wrote:

I love Ne Obliviscaris. Particularly the first and the second album. From LŲr I remember listening†Edge of Eternity, and I thought that it was kind of not that interesting. This one, though, it is pretty amazing, maybe I should give another chance to the other one. They kind of remind me to this:†https://iomair.bandcamp.com/album/fishing-for-an-apparition

That last thing rocks hard. I was listening to Epica's Omega the other day, but it wasn't my thing particularly. I will listen the rest. I already listened to Imperial Circus Dead Decadence when you posted it in the other thread, but I don't remember them.†




Well Iomair was going to be my next recommendation anyway. In Forgotten is a lot more interesting than Edge of Eternity, honestly, I think.

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 https://threadsoffate.bandcamp.com/album/the-cold-embrace-of-the-light

Very cheesy. But it is good cheese, I promise. 
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Djent is some kind of abhorrent plague for metal, but this is kind of cool. 
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One of the tracks has the same name as my old band:



Again and sadly, brickwalled; but the music is certainly brutal and fresh. 
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

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This is much better than Ice Fleet. Which I listened to the other day. 
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Originally posted by edefakiel edefakiel wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

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This is much better than Ice Fleet. Which I listened to the other day. 

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Okay here's a classic. It may not be atmospheric or deathy/blacky for which you seem to be looking, and it's clearly an early 2000s MIDI program instead of a "true" symphony, but here's:

Symphony X - The Odyssey

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I was listening to Symphony X a couple of days ago.

This is very peculiar. Like Bubblemath doing metal:


The symphonic elements appear more in the form of vocal harmonies than orchestral instrumentation. 


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