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Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

I'll have to check out the Sandy Bull. Haven't heard that one yet. In fact it looks like i should add him to my list because he clearly did have an impact on early prog. I had a lot of fun making my list because there were quite a few bands i knew nothing about. It was like going back to that era and living through it without getting addicted to drugs :D

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Sandy Bull's "Blend" is indeed quite a beauty and sounds to me being a rather obvious inspiration for The Doors' "The End".








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Do When the Music's Over or Celebration of the Lizard count as suites? 
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What Love (Suite) by The Collectors qualifies...
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Coming back to the original Question, I still think Nicolette's excellent suggestion of Days of Future Passed by the Moody Blues was the first genuine prog suite, but I'll have a long list of favourite prog suites coming up here tomorrow, including Question by the Moody Blues. Smile
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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Coming back to the original Question, I still think Nicolette's excellent suggestion of Days of Future Passed by the Moody Blues was the first genuine prog suite, but I'll have a long list of favourite prog suites coming up here tomorrow, including Question by the Moody Blues. Smile


You're both missing the main point here. Dude is looking for a ONE TRACK / SIDE LONG SUITE, not a bunch of tracks that flow together well. Should be pointed out in the title for sure. I've already scoured every prog / proto-prog release from the entire 60s so unlikely you'll find anything we haven't found but if you do i'd love to discover new moo-zeek! ALways another obscurity lurking in the vaults. Also i would request if you want to discuss FAVORITE prog suites then please start another thread so we don't dilute the intent of this one. I find many of these threads lose their point and meander into unrelated lands. Thx :)


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Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Coming back to the original Question, I still think Nicolette's excellent suggestion of Days of Future Passed by the Moody Blues was the first genuine prog suite, but I'll have a long list of favourite prog suites coming up here tomorrow, including Question by the Moody Blues. Smile


...Also i would request if you want to discuss FAVORITE prog suites then please start another thread so we don't dilute the intent of this one. I find many of these threads lose their point and meander into unrelated lands. Thx :)

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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Do When the Music's Over or Celebration of the Lizard count as suites? 

The celebration of the Lizard is a strange case of suite, because it was published in a live record.

Oh, it's wonderful.

But it's not the first suite ever: year 1970 (and it doesnt fill a whole side of a Lp).
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Originally posted by jamesbaldwin jamesbaldwin wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Do When the Music's Over or Celebration of the Lizard count as suites? 

The celebration of the Lizard is a strange case of suite, because it was published in a live record.

Oh, it's wonderful.

But it's not the first suite ever: year 1970 (and it doesnt fill a whole side of a Lp).

yeah, i don't know honestly, I've never had The Doors on vinyl. Just cassettes and CDs. LOL
Celebration of the Lizard was supposed to be on Waiting for the Sun album, in 1968. It just didn't happen, only the song Not tot Touch the Earth ended up on the album. The whole song and kind of a suite TBH was a live favorite though. 
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Originally posted by jamesbaldwin jamesbaldwin wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Do When the Music's Over or Celebration of the Lizard count as suites? 

The celebration of the Lizard is a strange case of suite, because it was published in a live record.
Suggesting a suite from a live record is not strange, if it is in fact a suite that's played live. It may however be a strange case to suggest a live recording released in 1970 as the first recorded sidelong (prog related) song. If that was the case. The until 2003 unreleased and unfinished 17 minute work in progress 1968-studio version, has a natural place in a discussion like this though.

The b-side of Ennio Morricone's Fistful of Dollars repeats the score presented on the a-side as a 14 minute long suite. The A & B-sides are pretty much identical and contains the same suite with and without pause in between the movements - or parts. The music on this album could be heard in Sergio Leone's first "man with no name" trilogy of spaghetti westerns as early as in 1964. But the album wasn't released until 1967. This is a genuine suite created by a composer who knew what that actually means. With it's "guitar, bass and drums/percussion rock band-fundament", sophisticated complexity, variations and furious intensity - might technically qualify as the first symphonic prog sidelong epic. I can't see any reason as to why it couldn't.



Morricone (like quite a few 1970's soundtrack composers) had plenty of progressive rock hidden in his 1960's-1970's scores that could easily qualify for a number of PA's sub-genres.


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Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Coming back to the original Question, I still think Nicolette's excellent suggestion of Days of Future Passed by the Moody Blues was the first genuine prog suite, but I'll have a long list of favourite prog suites coming up here tomorrow, including Question by the Moody Blues. Smile


You're both missing the main point here. Dude is looking for a ONE TRACK / SIDE LONG SUITE, not a bunch of tracks that flow together well. Should be pointed out in the title for sure. I've already scoured every prog / proto-prog release from the entire 60s so unlikely you'll find anything we haven't found but if you do i'd love to discover new moo-zeek! ALways another obscurity lurking in the vaults. Also i would request if you want to discuss FAVORITE prog suites then please start another thread so we don't dilute the intent of this one. I find many of these threads lose their point and meander into unrelated lands. Thx :)

That sounds like a rather splendid idea to me. Thumbs Up
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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

That sounds like a rather splendid idea to me. Thumbs Up

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John Coltrane had been jammin' in length for a couple years before A Love Supreme's January 1965 release. Besides the 17:40 minute Side Two song, the whole album is one suite! And it would certainly be difficult to argue that the album (A Love Supreme) wasn't influential throughout the music world.
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Hi,

I was thinking of it within the early listings. When doing poetry, I am not sure that one worries about the length or anything within it ... ask Roy Harper. But Robin has stated that there were times when the poetry did go a bit too long, which suggests that the audience got lost along the way ... with "no song" to carry them along, but that would be a bit different, I think. That's an audience problem, not an issue with the artist, although I have to admit, I might get bored with Laurie Anderson and her endless use of one writer. But poetry and music? Give me more!

One more thing ... music to poetry is not new, and has been on for some time, not just within the rock era, thus, us thinking that it started in the 60's sometime, is probably incorrect since we know that some folk music was kind of "endless" as done by many folks. So the idea of a "first suite" is kinda lost within the research areas, because folks will only look at a few pieces of music that are rock related, and not the artistic concept at all.


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Originally posted by BrufordFreak BrufordFreak wrote:

John Coltrane had been jammin' in length for a couple years before A Love Supreme's January 1965 release. Besides the 17:40 minute Side Two song, the whole album is one suite! And it would certainly be difficult to argue that the album (A Love Supreme) wasn't influential throughout the music world.


I know A Love Supreme. Wonderful album. 

Many classic-rock fans love it.

But there isnt a long-side song, Drew. 
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Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

Originally posted by jamesbaldwin jamesbaldwin wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Do When the Music's Over or Celebration of the Lizard count as suites? 

The celebration of the Lizard is a strange case of suite, because it was published in a live record.
Suggesting a suite from a live record is not strange, if it is in fact a suite that's played live. It may however be a strange case to suggest a live recording released in 1970 as the first recorded sidelong (prog related) song. If that was the case. The until 2003 unreleased and unfinished 17 minute work in progress 1968-studio version, has a natural place in a discussion like this though.

The b-side of Ennio Morricone's Fistful of Dollars repeats the score presented on the a-side as a 14 minute long suite. The A & B-sides are pretty much identical and contains the same suite with and without pause in between the movements - or parts. The music on this album could be heard in Sergio Leone's first "man with no name" trilogy of spaghetti westerns as early as in 1964. But the album wasn't released until 1967. This is a genuine suite created by a composer who knew what that actually means. With it's "guitar, bass and drums/percussion rock band-fundament", sophisticated complexity, variations and furious intensity - might technically qualify as the first symphonic prog sidelong epic. I can't see any reason as to why it couldn't.



Morricone (like quite a few 1970's soundtrack composers) had plenty of progressive rock hidden in his 1960's-1970's scores that could easily qualify for a number of PA's sub-genres.

Well, this is a soundtrack, a collage of short pieces of music where the pauses of silence between tracks have been removed. Sometimes the transition from one track to another is also quite abrupt (as in the ending, when the string instruments come in).  I wouldn't consider it a side-long rock song. Although it comes close. Sandy Bull's Blend is certainly much more side-long song than this soundtrack.
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Unless other new discoveries of side-long songs published in previous years come along,


The winners are:









to be continued....   
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Originally posted by jamesbaldwin jamesbaldwin wrote:

Originally posted by BrufordFreak BrufordFreak wrote:

John Coltrane had been jammin' in length for a couple years before A Love Supreme's January 1965 release. Besides the 17:40 minute Side Two song, the whole album is one suite! And it would certainly be difficult to argue that the album (A Love Supreme) wasn't influential throughout the music world.


I know A Love Supreme. Wonderful album. 

Many classic-rock fans love it.

But there isnt a long-side song, Drew. 

I never knew till this week that the album had been divided into parts: my original vinyl just sounded like one continuous song, with no breaks, and several motifs. Even on the label of Side Two it's listed as "Part 3. Pursuance/Part 4. Psalm" which is different from Side One which lists "Part 1: Acknowledgment" and, as a second and clearly demarcated item, "Part 2: Resolution" -- all of which were recorded on the same day, December 9, 1964.

Plus, encyclopedias say this:
"A Love Supreme is a through-composed suite [sic] in four parts" --which, I thought, according to your OP, was exactly what you were looking for.?!?!?!
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Originally posted by jamesbaldwin jamesbaldwin wrote:

So I asked myself: who was the first to have the courage to fill an entire side of an LP with one song? I called these songs suites. Better to call them side-long songs? OK, let's call them side-long songs.

Maybe you should update your OP, Lorenzo. Smile
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