Forum Home Forum Home > Progressive Music Lounges > Prog Polls
  New Posts New Posts RSS Feed - RYM's top all time Jazz Fusion
  FAQ FAQ  Forum Search   Events   Register Register  Login Login

RYM's top all time Jazz Fusion
 Post Reply Post Reply Page  <1234>
Poll Question: Pick your top three!
Poll Choice Votes Poll Statistics
6 [6.19%]
9 [9.28%]
13 [13.40%]
1 [1.03%]
4 [4.12%]
1 [1.03%]
5 [5.15%]
3 [3.09%]
0 [0.00%]
10 [10.31%]
1 [1.03%]
3 [3.09%]
2 [2.06%]
3 [3.09%]
4 [4.12%]
1 [1.03%]
1 [1.03%]
15 [15.46%]
1 [1.03%]
0 [0.00%]
5 [5.15%]
2 [2.06%]
0 [0.00%]
4 [4.12%]
3 [3.09%]
You can not vote in this poll

Author
Message
  Topic Search Topic Search  Topic Options Topic Options
verslibre View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: July 01 2004
Location: CA
Status: Offline
Points: 15006 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote verslibre Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 17 2023 at 14:33
Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

I guess, there're different opinions about it, as RYM, PA and Wikipedia consider it to be RtF's first album. Smile

So do Stuart Nicholson, the author of the very well-researched and thorough Jazz-Rock: A History (1998).
eBay
Back to Top
Progosopher View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: May 12 2009
Location: Coolwood
Status: Offline
Points: 6393 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Progosopher Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 17 2023 at 16:57
In a Silent Way, The Inner Mounting Flame, Crossings.
The world of sound is certainly capable of infinite variety and, were our sense developed, of infinite extensions. -- George Santayana, "The Sense of Beauty"
Back to Top
Awesoreno View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: October 07 2019
Location: Culver City, CA
Status: Offline
Points: 2886 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Awesoreno Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 17 2023 at 23:02
Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

I guess, there're different opinions about it, as RYM, PA and Wikipedia consider it to be RtF's first album. Smile

So do Stuart Nicholson, the author of the very well-researched and thorough Jazz-Rock: A History (1998).

This will always be one of those things where some people/publications/sites will retroactively consider the album to be the first RTF album, and others will stick to the official, literal artist attribution. I'm sure there will never be a consensus on how to consider it, despite the fact that, at the time of its release, it WAS attributed to Chick Corea. It's kind of like Roine Stolt's album The Flower King. Could it be considered the first TFK album? Sure. Is it, technically? No. But, whatever.

Incidentally, a copy of that book you just referenced is sitting on desk right in front of me (I have yet to crack it open). I got it from a used book store in North Hollywood.
Back to Top
Saperlipopette! View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: December 20 2010
Location: Tomorrowland
Status: Online
Points: 10031 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Saperlipopette! Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 17 2023 at 23:24
Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

From the list... The Grand Wazoo and Birds of Fire.

No Pat Metheny, Allan Holdsworth, Weather Report, Jean-Luc Ponty, Dixie Dregs, Bruford, Brand X? No modern fusion like Antoine Fafard, Dewa Budjana, Panzerballett, Hiromi?

RYM does not express my tastes.


And I'm the opposite. I find it remarkable how much I love from the list. The first two Weather Report albums do rank amongst my favourites, by the way. Choosing just three is almost ridiculous as I love the vast majority of those.
Except for loving the same two early Weather Report as Logan does I don't miss any of those. In regards to modern fusion there's two entries from the 2000's in this poll, while only one (Hiromi) on PA top 25 fusion.
-
Btw: I also count Chick Corea - Return to Forever as Return to Forever's actual debut. It's my favorite of theirs as well. Romantic Warrior however represent everything I dislike about a certain kind of later 1970's fusion. Jazz/Sport Fusion.


Edited by Saperlipopette! - May 17 2023 at 23:30
Back to Top
Cristi View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator
Avatar
Crossover / Prog Metal Teams

Joined: July 27 2006
Location: wonderland
Status: Offline
Points: 41330 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Cristi Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 17 2023 at 23:37
Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

Jazz/Sport Fusion.

Never heard of this, I imagine it's a derogatory term. Can you give an example? Ermm
Back to Top
Saperlipopette! View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: December 20 2010
Location: Tomorrowland
Status: Online
Points: 10031 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Saperlipopette! Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 17 2023 at 23:58
Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

Jazz/Sport Fusion.

Never heard of this, I imagine it's a derogatory term. Can you give an example? Ermm
It's an attemnt to give this "hey everyone look at me, I can play A LOT of notes really fast!" fusion subgenre a proper name. I know that many, and proggers in particular disagree*, but to me it's the sound of all flash, no substance. RTF's early albums never gave me that feeling.
-
*many of the typically popular fusion albums, performers/bands among proggers like Spectrum, Elegant Gypsy & Mahavishnu/McLaughlin, Holdsworth, Brand X, Dixie Dregs... leaves me cold more often than not.




Edited by Saperlipopette! - May 18 2023 at 00:02
Back to Top
Cristi View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator
Avatar
Crossover / Prog Metal Teams

Joined: July 27 2006
Location: wonderland
Status: Offline
Points: 41330 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Cristi Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 18 2023 at 00:04
Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

Jazz/Sport Fusion.
Never heard of this, I imagine it's a derogatory term. Can you give an example? Ermm
It's an attemnt to give this "hey everyone look at me, I can play A LOT of notes really fast!" fusion subgenre a proper name. I know that many, and proggers in particular disagree*, but to me it's the sound of all flash, no substance. RTF's early albums never gave me that feeling.
-
*many of the typically popular fusion albums, performers/bands among proggers like Spectrum, Elegant Gypsy & Mahavishnu/McLaughlin, Holdsworth, Brand X, Dixie Dregs... leaves me cold more often than not.

ok, thanks for explaining. Smile
Back to Top
David_D View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: October 26 2010
Location: Copenhagen
Status: Offline
Points: 13528 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote David_D Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 18 2023 at 04:18
Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

So do Stuart Nicholson, the author of the very well-researched and thorough Jazz-Rock: A History (1998).

Btw, this book is a great read about the history of the American Jazz Rock/Fusion.
                      quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond
Back to Top
BaldJean View Drop Down
Prog Reviewer
Prog Reviewer
Avatar

Joined: May 28 2005
Location: Germany
Status: Offline
Points: 10377 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote BaldJean Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 18 2023 at 04:51
Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

Jazz/Sport Fusion.
Never heard of this, I imagine it's a derogatory term. Can you give an example? Ermm
It's an attemnt to give this "hey everyone look at me, I can play A LOT of notes really fast!" fusion subgenre a proper name. I know that many, and proggers in particular disagree*, but to me it's the sound of all flash, no substance. RTF's early albums never gave me that feeling.
-
*many of the typically popular fusion albums, performers/bands among proggers like Spectrum, Elegant Gypsy & Mahavishnu/McLaughlin, Holdsworth, Brand X, Dixie Dregs... leaves me cold more often than not.

ok, thanks for explaining. Smile

this is a beef I especially have with Al Di Meola. that man just can't play slowly


A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta
Back to Top
Grumpyprogfan View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: July 09 2019
Location: Kansas City
Status: Offline
Points: 10053 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Grumpyprogfan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 18 2023 at 05:01
Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

*many of the typically popular fusion albums, performers/bands among proggers like Spectrum, Elegant Gypsy & Mahavishnu/McLaughlin, Holdsworth, Brand X, Dixie Dregs... leaves me cold more often than not.
Holdsworth, Brand X, and Dregs popular? Holdsworth's solo material is always viewed negatively here. You can't deny that Holdsworth was the most innovative guitar player ever, and his music is melodic. Not that it matters, but both Zappa and Van Halen mentioned Allan as a brilliant guitar player. Yes, some of his solos are fast, but I would not call that showing off. That is just his style. He plays the guitar like it's a saxophone. Are Charlie Parker, John Coltrane, and Miles Davis showing off when they play fast? Does that leave you cold?

I agree with you on McLaughlin. His songs, for me, are difficult to enjoy. Sport fusion at top speed, yet it currently has the most votes in this poll? Obviously, PA folk love some sport fusion.

Anyway, here is one of Allan's ballads. No sport solo.





Edited by Grumpyprogfan - May 18 2023 at 06:14
Back to Top
Saperlipopette! View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: December 20 2010
Location: Tomorrowland
Status: Online
Points: 10031 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Saperlipopette! Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 18 2023 at 06:19
Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

*many of the typically popular fusion albums, performers/bands among proggers like Spectrum, Elegant Gypsy & Mahavishnu/McLaughlin, Holdsworth, Brand X, Dixie Dregs... leaves me cold more often than not.
Holdsworth, Brand X, and Dregs popular? Holdsworth's solo material is always viewed negatively here. You can't deny that Holdsworth was the most innovative guitar player ever, and his music is melodic.

Yes they represent a sort of fusion/playing that's particularly popular among proggers. As in they've got a greater status among progfans than elsehwere.

-I'm not denying anything, but I often (but not always) don't enjoy how Holdsworth plays - and the space he takes up in the music while doing it. He is one of the most popular fusion guitarists on these forums and is mentioned all the time, that's for sure. Plus everyone seem to think he saves those later Soft Machine albums - except for me who thinks he ruins them.


Edited by Saperlipopette! - May 18 2023 at 06:47
Back to Top
Grumpyprogfan View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: July 09 2019
Location: Kansas City
Status: Offline
Points: 10053 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Grumpyprogfan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 18 2023 at 06:49
^The best thing about these forums are the differing views of music. I don't agree that Holdsworth is mentioned all the time in these forums. In fact, just the opposite.

Back to Top
Lewian View Drop Down
Prog Reviewer
Prog Reviewer
Avatar

Joined: August 09 2015
Location: Italy
Status: Offline
Points: 14108 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Lewian Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 18 2023 at 06:52
Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

*many of the typically popular fusion albums, performers/bands among proggers like Spectrum, Elegant Gypsy & Mahavishnu/McLaughlin, Holdsworth, Brand X, Dixie Dregs... leaves me cold more often than not.
Holdsworth, Brand X, and Dregs popular? Holdsworth's solo material is always viewed negatively here. You can't deny that Holdsworth was the most innovative guitar player ever, and his music is melodic.

Yes they represent a sort of fusion/playing that's particularly popular among proggers. As in they've got a greater status among progfans than elsehwere.

-I'm not denying anything, but I often (but not always) don't enjoy how Holdsworth plays - and the space he takes up in the music while doing it. He is one of the most popular fusion guitarists on these forums and is mentioned all the time, that's for sure. Plus everyone seem to think he saves those later Soft Machine albums - except for me who thinks he ruins them.

Grumpy is a very prolific writer; maybe it's just him who mentions Holdsworth all the time? Tongue
Back to Top
Meltdowner View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator
Avatar
Honorary Collaborator

Joined: June 25 2013
Location: Portugal
Status: Offline
Points: 10215 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Meltdowner Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 18 2023 at 07:22
I'm surprised to see Bruno Pernadas among such great musicians Shocked 

My votes went to:
Bruno Pernadas - Crocodiles
Casiopea - Casiopea
Herbie Hancock - Head Hunters

Three of the albums I must have mentioned the most back when I listed everything here.
Back to Top
Grumpyprogfan View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: July 09 2019
Location: Kansas City
Status: Offline
Points: 10053 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Grumpyprogfan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 18 2023 at 08:09
Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

Grumpy is a very prolific writer; maybe it's just him who mentions Holdsworth all the time? Tongue
Yes it's mostly me. Thank you for noticing, Lewian.
Back to Top
Saperlipopette! View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: December 20 2010
Location: Tomorrowland
Status: Online
Points: 10031 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Saperlipopette! Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 18 2023 at 09:14
Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

Grumpy is a very prolific writer; maybe it's just him who mentions Holdsworth all the time? Tongue
Yes it's mostly me. Thank you for noticing, Lewian.

I did a search and since last autumn (which is the five pages that shows), Holdsworth in namechecked (positively, several times) by:

Gerinski, Manuel, Psychedelic Paul, BrufordFreak, Richardh, Jaketejas, DutchProg, Steve Wyzard, Rick1, Mellotron Storm, Yam Yam, MortSahlFan, Dick Heath, Necrotica, JazzFusionGuy, HolyMoly, disquesplusqueréel, mathman0806, altered_beast, David_D, Jacob Schoolcraft, Atavachron, Hrychu, Nogbad_The_Bad, AFlowerKingCrimson, Negoba, Mirakaze, Cristi, graysnk2, telefunk, wiz_d_kidd & of course Grumpyprogfan and Lewian + not nessecarely as "fans" by Logan, Balfriede and myself. Edit: also Sean Trane


Edited by Saperlipopette! - May 18 2023 at 09:23
Back to Top
verslibre View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: July 01 2004
Location: CA
Status: Offline
Points: 15006 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote verslibre Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 18 2023 at 09:16
Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

*many of the typically popular fusion albums, performers/bands among proggers like Spectrum, Elegant Gypsy & Mahavishnu/McLaughlin, Holdsworth, Brand X, Dixie Dregs... leaves me cold more often than not.

Billy Cobham's Spectrum features Jan Hammer, Lee Sklar and Tommy Bolin (as epic a line-up as any out there) and is a bona fide classic. Wink

The Dixie Dregs are popular? That's a new one to me. I mean, they should be!
eBay
Back to Top
Saperlipopette! View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: December 20 2010
Location: Tomorrowland
Status: Online
Points: 10031 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Saperlipopette! Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 18 2023 at 09:20
Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

*many of the typically popular fusion albums, performers/bands among proggers like Spectrum, Elegant Gypsy & Mahavishnu/McLaughlin, Holdsworth, Brand X, Dixie Dregs... leaves me cold more often than not.

Billy Cobham's Spectrum features Jan Hammer, Lee Sklar and Tommy Bolin (as epic a line-up as any out there) and is a bona fide classic. Wink

The Dixie Dregs are popular? That's a new one to me. I mean, they should be!
"Typically popular among proggers" is not the same as actually being popular. And yes I know you "all" love Spectrum. That's why I mentioned it.
Back to Top
verslibre View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: July 01 2004
Location: CA
Status: Offline
Points: 15006 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote verslibre Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 18 2023 at 09:34
Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

And yes I know you "all" love Spectrum. That's why I mentioned it.

Well, it's hard to dislike, no? LOL
eBay
Back to Top
verslibre View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: July 01 2004
Location: CA
Status: Offline
Points: 15006 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote verslibre Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 18 2023 at 09:36
P.S. There are a lot of people (proggers and otherwise) who don't care for the Dregs. Naturally, I'm not one of them.
eBay
Back to Top
 Post Reply Post Reply Page  <1234>

Forum Jump Forum Permissions View Drop Down



This page was generated in 0.211 seconds.
Donate monthly and keep PA fast-loading and ad-free forever.