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Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

I've read arguments in other places that this version is the "older" Roger Waters version of DSOTM, paying tribute to his younger days when the album was created. 
But on his website he talks about "...also to re-address the political and emotional message of the whole album.."
Maybe just me but I've never viewed the original with a political message. Roger is so infatuated with politics he may be trying to alter the meaning of the album today?? 


TBH, I've always thought of DSOTM as a "political" album, given the amount of critics on our western society contained in the lyrics (Time, Money, U&T and Brain Damage).

It may not be a Communist Manifesto, but it certainly yells at "evil capitalism" in a few places .

Just like Animals & The Wall and TFC are "political albums" as well.


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote The Dark Elf Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 28 2023 at 20:24
Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Either way we look at it, it's a sad shape of affairs. None of us listens, and on top of it I don't think many of us give a damn, other than posting a comment that is not anywhere near that idea, or the concept of what the song is about.

Here's an idea, speak for yourself and don't include your delusional impressions on what other people might think. State an opinion (briefly, please -- and in concise English, if at all possible) and leave out the gibbering nonsense regarding other posters.
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Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

I've read arguments in other places that this version is the "older" Roger Waters version of DSOTM, paying tribute to his younger days when the album was created. 
But on his website he talks about "...also to re-address the political and emotional message of the whole album.."
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He did that re-addressing with The Wall ... in the tour here he had a sort of war memorial for VietNam ... the original The Wall was about WW2. The "updating was fine, although for me the story changed and all of a sudden the story of Pink was no longer important, and I felt that his taking on the War Memorial for the VietNam fallen folks was blowing bubbles some, and it felt kinda fake, certainly not in the sense that it lacked meaning, but I thought the context was kinda shaken up a bit.

On "BOFR" update.
The video of "Bravery Out of Range" is another story, in my book. "Amused to Death" was a magnificent album, which even included Jeff Beck beautifully done, and while I enjoyed it quite a bit, I did feel that some of the lyrics were topical and trying to show that he was "relevant" when it came to opinions, and of course, he got panned left and right for opening his mouth ... just shut up and play rock music! Which RW refuses to do, right?

The new version is actually nicer than the original, although I think he's in a time warp, and his using of Ronald Reagan in the video show how out of time he is, even though the music in it itself and the arrangement stands out really nice. The presentation itself, is a bit weird for me ... the 2 cute little girls doing the background vocals, are a distraction for what would be a serious song, so there is a sort of dichotomy here that seems more related to rock music and its presentation (sexy first!), than it does to the value of the wording and total meaning ... so it's sexy to be brave and out of range?

I don't think that RW realizes that the Internet has made things very confusing and that no one knows what is right or wrong, and neither does Roger for that matter, and that we're all caught in this media driven confusion, to the point that "lyrics" are junk, and meaningless. No one is even discussing the latest Ian's lyrics! The "words" have lost their touch! I think RW thought the song deserved a bit more attention than before, but using Reagan, he only dates himself, and shows that he is stuck in a time warp. No one remembers Reagan, or gives a damn! And all of a sudden his song becomes quite ... empty. I don't think he realizes that, obviously, or he would have done something else.

Either way we look at it, it's a sad shape of affairs. None of us listens, and on top of it I don't think many of us give a damn, other than posting a comment that is not anywhere near that idea, or the concept of what the song is about.


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I've read arguments in other places that this version is the "older" Roger Waters version of DSOTM, paying tribute to his younger days when the album was created. 
But on his website he talks about "...also to re-address the political and emotional message of the whole album.."
Maybe just me but I've never viewed the original with a political message. Roger is so infatuated with politics he may be trying to alter the meaning of the album today?? 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Sem__ Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 28 2023 at 11:13
Will never be as good as the original, but that's a given. Could be decent if you don't mind his politics, and he doesn't larp as Leonard Cohen for the whole thing. This choice of track does seem ironic, though...
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One thing is for sure: we all know Waters is right about his recent DSOTM claim about the concept of it.
Can't see Gilmour and Wright (let alone Mason) write lyrics of that value.
Gilmour's silence on this issue is quite revealing.
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Everyone has the right to express their critiques and I've had the opportunity to experience both Roger Waters live performances and Pink Floyd without Waters. Personally, I find Roger Waters' take on the old Pink Floyd material to be more captivating and creatively reimagined, whereas David Gilmour's versions often seem somewhat flat in comparison, sticking with the albums versions. Waters consistently surprises me with new and unexpected elements in his performances, whereas with Gilmour, I can anticipate how he'll interpret Pink Floyd's music. I'll reserve my final judgment until I hear the entire "redux" album, but as of now, I have a strong preference for the original version of Money.

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If all the album is sung this way, he can stick it up his @ss... LOL
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It's fine to re-do rock albums, it's fine for RW to remake DSOTM, but that doesn't mean we can't criticize the reasons he's doing it, criticize the music, criticize the very idea of remakes, or be skeptical of the end product. The way some people defend this redux, you'd think you're not allowed to criticize any album.
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Originally posted by barbera barbera wrote:

I must confess, remakes have never been a bother to me personally, but when it comes to TDSOTM I find myself treading a unique path.
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I think we have to be careful here.

Classical music, for many years, was almost enjoyed depending on the conductor since many of them had different points of interpretation that made the music seem different. I never thought that it sounded "wrong" or "bad", just slightly different. 

Seeing the same piece, in rock music, done differently, is no big deal and I find it rather weird, maybe naive, that we take such a hard core thought about it ... you could even mention the Stokowski conducting, who was known to setup the orchestra differently simply to get the better effect he wanted on the recording ... again, it doesn't change the music, but it gives it a slightly different interpretation.

It's just bizarre, some of the folks here taking a "purist" point of view, knowing that in a few years they will be all dead, as we also will, and someone else will play it and it won't be the same thing ... it's different people in a different time!

Please let it go ... if you don't care for it, it's OK to say it, but don't trash some of the things that will be remembered for a very long time, because they were special ... and deserve the attention they are getting with updates and all that. Music, is not about you "like it" ... and Mozart and Beethoven and Beatles are still around even if you don't like it, and the versions and different recordings all have a lot of moments to offer, that might make us feel different about the piece of music ... THAT'S OK ... music does that and has done that for many years ... don't take that away from it, please.
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Originally posted by hergest ridge hergest ridge wrote:

Personally, I like this reinterpretation of Money.
I'm curious to hear an adaptation of this classic that we all know... and I can't wait.
He composed it with the others, it's his right.
After 50 years, I find it interesting to hear a reinterpretation by one of the members of the band at the time.

I have no problems with Money's rework, however I hope he doesn't do the same for the rest of the album the same way (same sonics)

On some launching video, there is a bit of Breathe, and it doesn't sound all that different of the new version Money. 

In that case (the whole album being that way), I'm out. 
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Originally posted by octopus-4 octopus-4 wrote:

Originally posted by zbida zbida wrote:

Haven't heard yet but I wonder if the lyrics aren't in Russian?

It seems you are one of those who have totally misunderstood what Waters said about the Ukrainian war. Try listening directly to his words from youtube instead of the right-wing propaganda.

But I don't think I'll buy the album anyway.
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I must confess, remakes have never been a bother to me personally, but when it comes to TDSOTM I find myself treading a unique path. Money it's the one track that's never managed to win me over entirely and with this flat and monotonous essence, I can't help but wonder if it's perhaps not suitable for a low vocal performance. It seems to be filled with messages rather than the ethereal magic of music that resonates within the whole TDSOFM or at least the sonic concept. But I won't be too quick to judge. There's a curious twist awaiting as we consider how "Money" may fit into the grand tapestry of the album. As we wait for the rest of the pieces to fall into place, could it be that its purpose becomes more apparent? After all, artistic expression knows no boundaries (and the creative genius of Roger Waters certainly possesses the right to rewrite his own material as he sees fit) and who are we to challenge the vision of a mastermind?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote hergest ridge Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 26 2023 at 16:07
Personally, I like this reinterpretation of Money.
I'm curious to hear an adaptation of this classic that we all know... and I can't wait.
He composed it with the others, it's his right.
After 50 years, I find it interesting to hear a reinterpretation by one of the members of the band at the time.
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Dark side of the billionaire corporate rock star.
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Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

and we have seen many versions of Beatles tunes that were just as "good" if not better than the original

No we haven't.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote fredyair Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 24 2023 at 19:07
Listened to the "new" Money and for me is enough to say it is a failed enterprise. He could not stop his ego and started blabbering in the middle of the song about his grievances with society and a bunch of nonsensical ideas unless he's giving out the music for free, which he is not, so instead the magnificent Gilmour solo we get the greatest magnificent your majesty Lord Waters telling us what he thinks. OK Rogers, you lost me.
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Meh, pass . . .
Welcome to the middle of the film.
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useless rework imo
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