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wiz_d_kidd ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 13 2018 Location: EllicottCityMD Status: Offline Points: 1445 |
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I agree with TPE. It should move from Neo-prog to Symphonic.
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Criswell ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: March 30 2023 Location: Illinois Status: Offline Points: 597 |
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I've often thought the line between Neo Prog and Symphonic Prog to be a bit blurred...
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moshkito ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 04 2007 Location: Grok City Status: Offline Points: 18005 |
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Hi, That was not the idea ... if one artist does not release any more work, then after a time he/she should be added ... the idea was to prevent the inundation by wanna bees that do not belong and are being mistagged right from the start. I have no issues with the so many bands we are discovering from the 70's that only had one album at all ... their work has survived quite well and they deserve to be listed. But, today, with the ease that things can be created, and no studio, I think I would put the brake on the idea some ... I was also thinking that the "definitions" for inclusion and of the specific areas and terms, be cleaned up so there is less discussion or doubt as to the selection ... when something is being thrown around because it could belong to various areas, it makes it look like it will always end up in the wrong place.
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Grumpyprogfan ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 09 2019 Location: Kansas City Status: Offline Points: 12320 |
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Nogbad_The_Bad ![]() Forum & Site Admin Group ![]() ![]() RIO/Avant/Zeuhl & Eclectic Team Joined: March 16 2007 Location: Boston Status: Offline Points: 21239 |
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See I hear the whimsy in Antique Seeking Nuns.
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Grumpyprogfan ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 09 2019 Location: Kansas City Status: Offline Points: 12320 |
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^So whimsy is the defining factor for labeling a band Canterbury or neo? Anything else?
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Hercules ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: June 14 2007 Location: Near York UK Status: Offline Points: 7024 |
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Does any of it matter?
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Nogbad_The_Bad ![]() Forum & Site Admin Group ![]() ![]() RIO/Avant/Zeuhl & Eclectic Team Joined: March 16 2007 Location: Boston Status: Offline Points: 21239 |
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A factor, not THE factor. It's right there in the genre definition. |
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siLLy puPPy ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() PSIKE, JRF/Canterbury, P Metal, Eclectic Joined: October 05 2013 Location: SFcaUsA Status: Offline Points: 15336 |
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Well if we moved Pink Floyd to tech extreme metal, Genesis to RIO and Henry Cow to crossover I think we’d find out in a hurry from users all around the world if it matters ![]() |
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Logan ![]() Forum & Site Admin Group ![]() ![]() Site Admin Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Vancouver, BC Status: Offline Points: 36930 |
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I would say that it kind of does matter for archival purposes. As for Henry Cow, sure the group was the founder of RIO, but I could see music it made, especially Desperate Straights with Slapp Happy tagged as Crossover here if we focused on albums using our categories (and especially if we had multi tag options just using our category names, which would be silly). Definitely has art pop/ progressive pop qualities, as does In Praise of Learning. But yes, such changes would get a huge reaction. It might not lead to war... Oh wait, it already is leading to War! Anyway, such things are often fun to discuss even if it is not really that significant. And I have requested that more than one band be moved from one Prog category to another which were approved for a move by the relevant teams. It definitely does happen. |
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siLLy puPPy ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() PSIKE, JRF/Canterbury, P Metal, Eclectic Joined: October 05 2013 Location: SFcaUsA Status: Offline Points: 15336 |
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WHYYYYYYYY? Why in the world would any primarily metal band be in avant / RIO when we have THREE metal categories on this site? ![]() Illogical
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David_D ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 26 2010 Location: Copenhagen Status: Offline Points: 15514 |
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Disregarding the practical aspect of this, I think of Prog Metal more like a separate genre different from all these mentioned even there's maybe quite a lot of overlap. |
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quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond
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David_D ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 26 2010 Location: Copenhagen Status: Offline Points: 15514 |
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^ But okay, I suppose now you were also talking about "Tech/Extreme Prog Metal". Edited by David_D - August 16 2023 at 14:29 |
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quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond
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Grumpyprogfan ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 09 2019 Location: Kansas City Status: Offline Points: 12320 |
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^I guess if it's whimsy tech/extreme metal it could be labeled Canterbury.
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BrufordFreak ![]() Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: January 25 2008 Location: Wisconsin Status: Online Points: 8386 |
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I think the BIG PROBLEM is that so many bands change and evolve. Look a ULVER or MOTORPSYCHO or ZAPPA. Or Santana's brief foray into J-R Fusion or Johnny Mac and Jan Akkerman's forays into classical et al. or Gleb Kolyadin's New Age and classical albums. J Tull had some Prog Folky albums but I've always thought them first as a blues-rock band. My point is: (as has been discussed many times before) that bands are stuck with one assignation when, in fact, they may have several versions of themselves presented to the world on an album-by-album basis. Edited by BrufordFreak - August 16 2023 at 16:34 |
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richardh ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: February 18 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 29263 |
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Can end up going down all sorts of rabbit holes with this I suspect.
ELP, Yes and Genesis are all tagged 'Symphonic' yet they are all different. ELP could easily be in eclectic and Genesis in Neo. I realise that may seem very strange but Genesis evolved the song format rather than being a pure symphonic classical based band imo and that it was what Neo is to me. Yes at their best were much more classical than Genesis (the Wakeman/Howe axis made that happen) and so would still be Symphonic as they stand and ELP were all over the place so could be in eclectic. I would keep Tull in folk prog for want of anything better (don't understand 'eclectic' for them at all) and keep Floyd in Psychedelic but would put King Crimson in Experimental/Post Metal personally. Some of this is a bit 'after the fact' but isn't that what we are talking about?
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siLLy puPPy ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() PSIKE, JRF/Canterbury, P Metal, Eclectic Joined: October 05 2013 Location: SFcaUsA Status: Offline Points: 15336 |
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^ i kinda agree with you. Genesis really was different than the virtuoso wizardry of true symphonic prog bands. I would call them the first neo-prog band as well. Tull is prog folk. Bare bones albums like Songs From The Wood reveal their true underpinnings.
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Hrychu ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: November 03 2013 Location: poland? Status: Offline Points: 5628 |
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Are you kidding me? Magic Pie is not even close to being soft metal. It's 100% symphonic/neo or maybe eclectic prog. It's anything BUT metal. I would personally stick to the Symphonic label, as it is classified right now, because of the band's retro sound.
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siLLy puPPy ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() PSIKE, JRF/Canterbury, P Metal, Eclectic Joined: October 05 2013 Location: SFcaUsA Status: Offline Points: 15336 |
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No not kidding but now that you mention it eclectic actually would be better. All 5 Magic Pie albums have tons of progressive metal in them but the music shifts from various symphonic and neo-prog moods to crazy avant-prog moments before bursting into extremely confident progressive metal. Have you really listened to the albums? I just listened to all of them several times in recent weeks and the METAL is absolutely ferocious. They are on metal sites and even RYM has progressive metal for all five albums as one of the tags.
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Hrychu ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: November 03 2013 Location: poland? Status: Offline Points: 5628 |
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Yes and IMO It's not metal. Kim Stenberg's guitar playing is shreddy but it doesn't really make the music heavy enough to consider it metal.
Edited by Hrychu - August 16 2023 at 21:51 |
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