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arohtelp
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At the moment, it is difficult to create something really unique (especially in the prog genre) in UDIO, since human influence on the process of creating a track is not yet sufficient.
All music and vocals are completely generated by UDIO using my lyrics. UDIO can generate lyrics itself, but they are not very good yet. In the early stages, I tried to remove vocals from the tracks and sing myself, but my vocal technique is a little lacking for this genre. In short, if I could sing like that, I would sing it myself :)
Describing the details of creating specific tracks will be very difficult and time-consuming. But in general, the algorithm is: I took my lyrics, chose a style (or several styles) and accompanying tags (like "emotional", "melancholic", "calm", etc.) and generated the first 32 seconds of the composition many times until I got something decent sounding. And then repeated the same for the next 32 seconds, and the next, etc. During the process, I also changed the tags for subsequent parts of the track to move the composition in the desired direction. You kind of give general instructions to UDIO, and then choose the best option from those offered. On average, it took me 60-70 generations to create one composition.
In principle, UDIO can be considered a kind of very advanced musical instrument. Although at this stage I would not say that I actually composed music, I rather created it using UDIO. I want to emphasize this point. This music was not created by UDIO, I created it using UDIO. UDIO by itself, without human participation, cannot create this kind of music. At least for now, anyway :) |
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The Genesis AI was absolutely dreadful. It sounds like a turgidly trite ballad from an 80s hair band. With keys.
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^ Interesting experiment. Not that I'm impressed with the results, because it sounds to me very much like "prog by numbers" (but there are some real prog bands that make music in a similar way: following formulas...). It would be interesting for us to know what parameters/instructions you fed to the software to produce this. And, you talk about the lyrics, but the singing is that AI generated? Anyway, thanks for sharing these experiments - I'm not convinced (yet) that it can produce interesting music...
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arohtelp
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I was able to create a few more relatively decent prog songs in UDIO with my lyrics. This time they are not so similar to any existing bands, although of course they sound quite eclectic.
"I Will Always Care" - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQaU_fsziXk "Journey's End" - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxMEsWL6mRw "Headless King" - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wblkaZ2rLkE |
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AI has trouble with Prog, which is just more evidence (not that we needed it) that Prog is more creative than most music.
Edited by King Crimson776 - April 28 2024 at 01:24 |
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Nope…
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Agree, I'd love to hear AI attempt a VDGG song. |
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As a musician, I find the concept of AI-anything music to be incredibly tasteless, irresponsible, and just plain evil.
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Let's see them try to tackle Yes, GG or VDGG. The Genesis one doesn't sound much like Genesis to me but the PT is pretty spot on I'd say.
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There's already a thread for this on the forums:
http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=132798 DON'T SPAM thank you |
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I know that this is rather controversial topic, however I see AI music apps (like SUNO and UDIO) as very advanced music creation tools. And it should be noted that creating something really similar to decent prog in them is not so easy. This actually requires a lot of human input. My experiments have shown that SUNO v3 is not yet very suitable for creating a prog. But UDIO v1 allows, with sufficient persistence, to get pretty good results. I created several songs using my own lyrics in UDIO v1. Some examples: Progressive rock slightly reminiscent of Porcupine Tree: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Coe8J7Q7msQ Progressive metal similar to a mixture of Mastodon and Haken: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmvs2K3mwkE Progressive metal / Alternative metal vaguely reminiscent of Tool and Deftones: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1FpXsCPYTw Progressive rock in the spirit of early Genesis: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NuCkiDaUykE Epic progressive rock with female vocals (the style reminds me of someone, but I can’t figure out who) : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHefMS2zGmM Alternative rock in the spirit of Skunk Anansie (it's not prog but this song shows amazing vocals that UDIO can do): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=To_ZpgnUaME |
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